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    Is there a consensus view on whether or not Gwyneth is a genuine numbnut or is just cynically exploiting people who are?

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    Unrelated but they put out water at my work that’s like just tap water sitting in a dispenser that they’ll sometimes slice like, a couple oranges or lemons or cucumbers into. It adds no flavor and just wastes the fruit or cucumbers

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    Alkaline water won’t be alkaline for long after it enters the stomach, so it doesn’t really matter

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      Alkaline water does have a place for LPR sufferers like me because it deactivates the pepsin that has vaporized and deposited itself in my esophagus and throat which when activated by acidic foods will begin to digest my soft tissues. The rest of ways to sell it I agree are completely bunk.

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        TIL, thank you. It indeed makes perfect sense that it would help for this.

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        This is true for most fad health things. They come from a place of “this is good for one hyper specific medical outcome” and then extrapolate to “this is good for literally all medical outcomes”

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          Remember the gluten free phase where people with no gluten alergy whatsoever decided they wanted to eat breads stripped of most of their protien(gluten) because they thought it was healthier.

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            That’s still unbelievably common where I live. Some restaurants will have zero vegan options, but you can be sure they’ll offer half a dozen clearly marked gluten free items. Come on, you can’t spare the overhead for a block of tofu, but you can keep gluten free breads and pastas?

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            The whole gluten thing is pretty interesting.

            Low carb diets led to commercial production on non-wheat breads in the western world, creating more options for people with celiacs and increasing public awareness of gluten allergies. With more bread options some people noticed they felt better after chowing non-wheat bread.

            Without a lot of health info and bullshit american healthcare, they figured they had gluten allergies or celiacs and adjusted their diet accordingly.

            A widely publicized study on non-celiacs gluten allergies found no gluten allergy, media took it out of context and implied those people were full of shit. This polarized the public against anyone claiming a gluten allergy.

            But! More and more people self-diagnosed gluten allergies, and more study led to discoveries on how fermentation helps digestion (like with sourdough), that parts of grains contain enzymes that aid digestion, found industry-wide problems with undercooked grains, and allergies to different classes of grains.

            So it was healthier for a lot of people, they just didn’t know why.

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              I have a very high family risk of diabetes and my rule of thum for carbs has always been the more fiber the better. White breads, especially wonder bread has so little fiber you’re basically just eating fluffy sugars. I’m no doctor and my body isn’t everyone’s body but If someone was asking me why bread messes with them my first question will always be, well how much fiber are in the bread you eat? Less then or equal to 10g carbs per 1g fiber? Alright. If you can get to 7:1 better. If you can crack 5:1, that’s pretty good for bread.

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      So I said, blue M&M, red M&M, they all wind up the same colour in the end.

      - Homer Simpson

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        Better for the teeth than pH neutral? Nope. For heartburn it might help, but only for a real short time. Non-fat milk would probably be the better choice.

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      I believe the intended purpose is to reduce the overall acidity of your body, which it will do (negligibly, maybe even immeasuably). Your stomach acid will compensate regardless, but, in doing so, it uses acidic compounds in the process to do so. Whether that is even beneficial in general is debatable at best, though likely not. But mixing in other acids does negate at least some of the alkalinity, which would defeat the entire point, if there is any effect from it.

      Edit: Clarified my position a bit. I’m not suggesting that alkaline water is effective at doing anything at all, nor even that its intended purpose would be a health benefit.

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    Not defending pseudoscientific health regimens, but the acid in “a spritz of lemon” doesn’t neutralize an arbitrary amount of alkalinity

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      No, but it does reveal a distinct lack of understanding on her her part as to what these pseudoscientific health products even are that are supposedly doing things for her. Like saying “I always drink decaf coffee and pop a shot of 5 hour energy in the morning.” “I drink skim milk with a splash of double cream.” “I love honey on my keto toast.” Like, even if it’s not enough acidity to completely negate the alkalinity, it’s literally antithetical to the supposed goal.

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        I am reminded of the detail in The Office where Michael Scott is stirring sugar into his diet coke.

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      I think it was Angela Collier that did a pretty basic test with a common store bought alkaline water, a lemon and some test strips. The water doesn’t start very alkaline at all.

      edit: Yep, here we go. https://youtu.be/rBQhdO2UxaQ

      It’s an amusing video.

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        She did the math (with some assumptions), but basically 0.25 mL of lemon juice will turn 500 mL of alkaline water into neutral water:

        This is in the video at 13:16.

        The reason is that pH is a logarithmic scale. Alkaline water has a pH of about 8, which means it has a tenth of the hydrogen ions compared to neutral water at pH 7.
        Lemon juice has a pH value of 2, which is 1,000,000 times more hydrogen ions than there are in pH 8. So, you just need a little bit of lemon juice to increase the hydrogen ions in alkaline water tenfold, which makes it neutral.

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          0.25 mL of lemon juice is probably too much already.

          She’s doing the maths for the concentration of citric acid in lemon juice through the formula C(acid) = 10^(-pH). That works fine for a strong acid, because you can be pretty sure all that acid in the solution is dissociated, and thus lowering its pH… but citric acid is weak - and weak acids don’t dissociate properly in already acidic conditions.

          This means there’s probably way more acid in that solution than the pH makes you believe, but that acid will react once you raise the pH, by mixing the lemon juice into the water.

          (I don’t blame her for using the strong acid maths. It’s already enough to convey her point, plus the maths for weak acids is a bloody pain.)

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        That girl can rant. Love her work, but always watch it at 2x to maximize the frustrated-teacher vibe.

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        Even regular neutral water shift to slightly acidic (5.6) as long as it have contact to air (CO2 dissolving). Would be interesting to know how long those store bought alkaline water becomes base or acidic.

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      True, but your body will not enjoy water that’s very alkaline, so there’s a chance it’s sufficient since lemon is pretty acidic.

      Plus, if the whole point of it is to be alkaline, why directly counter that with what you add?

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        The body doesn’t care much about alkaline water, since the stomach acid is so acidic that it will easily overpower it…

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          That’s only after your mouth and esophagus. Those aren’t really geared to tolerate exposure to strong acids or bases. Even foods that aren’t acidic enough to immediately damage these regions can still contribute to tooth enamel being worn away, for example. It’s either strong enough to at least consider the impact on those, or it’s weak enough that adding lemon is a questionable move.

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            Alright, yeah, we’re talking about a pH value of around 8 for alkaline water. That’s also the pH value for eggs, sea water or blood. So, I do imagine our mouth+esophagus can deal with that. At the very least, alkaline water should be food-safe.

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    Paltrow is full of shit broadly speaking of course, but she may be accidentally (technically) onto something here: A more ph neutral drink would be a little better for your teeth compared to one that’s more acidic or basic, wouldn’t it?

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      Just seems pointless. If you like less acidic taste just use less lemon juice. Nobody is Vitamin C deficient unless they’re dirt poor or have some other health stuff going on

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        I have witnessed the American diet. It mostly appears to be high fructose corn syrup drink, burger, fries and microplastics.

        I would assume there is a small amount of vitamin C in ketchup and trace amounts in the lettuce on the burger. But I’m not sure how much you would have to consume to meet your daily intake.

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          The fries alone have a pretty good chance to keep you from becoming Vitamin C deficient if you ate nothing but aforementioned. If your burger includes any vegetables even more so.