• Feyd@programming.dev
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    8 hours ago

    Not defending pseudoscientific health regimens, but the acid in “a spritz of lemon” doesn’t neutralize an arbitrary amount of alkalinity

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      7 hours ago

      No, but it does reveal a distinct lack of understanding on her her part as to what these pseudoscientific health products even are that are supposedly doing things for her. Like saying “I always drink decaf coffee and pop a shot of 5 hour energy in the morning.” “I drink skim milk with a splash of double cream.” “I love honey on my keto toast.” Like, even if it’s not enough acidity to completely negate the alkalinity, it’s literally antithetical to the supposed goal.

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      7 hours ago

      I think it was Angela Collier that did a pretty basic test with a common store bought alkaline water, a lemon and some test strips. The water doesn’t start very alkaline at all.

      edit: Yep, here we go. https://youtu.be/rBQhdO2UxaQ

      It’s an amusing video.

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        She did the math (with some assumptions), but basically 0.25 mL of lemon juice will turn 500 mL of alkaline water into neutral water:

        This is in the video at 13:16.

        The reason is that pH is a logarithmic scale. Alkaline water has a pH of about 8, which means it has a tenth of the hydrogen ions compared to neutral water at pH 7.
        Lemon juice has a pH value of 2, which is 1,000,000 times more hydrogen ions than there are in pH 8. So, you just need a little bit of lemon juice to increase the hydrogen ions in alkaline water tenfold, which makes it neutral.

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          0.25 mL of lemon juice is probably too much already.

          She’s doing the maths for the concentration of citric acid in lemon juice through the formula C(acid) = 10^(-pH). That works fine for a strong acid, because you can be pretty sure all that acid in the solution is dissociated, and thus lowering its pH… but citric acid is weak - and weak acids don’t dissociate properly in already acidic conditions.

          This means there’s probably way more acid in that solution than the pH makes you believe, but that acid will react once you raise the pH, by mixing the lemon juice into the water.

          (I don’t blame her for using the strong acid maths. It’s already enough to convey her point, plus the maths for weak acids is a bloody pain.)

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        6 hours ago

        That girl can rant. Love her work, but always watch it at 2x to maximize the frustrated-teacher vibe.

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        6 hours ago

        Even regular neutral water shift to slightly acidic (5.6) as long as it have contact to air (CO2 dissolving). Would be interesting to know how long those store bought alkaline water becomes base or acidic.

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      True, but your body will not enjoy water that’s very alkaline, so there’s a chance it’s sufficient since lemon is pretty acidic.

      Plus, if the whole point of it is to be alkaline, why directly counter that with what you add?

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        7 hours ago

        The body doesn’t care much about alkaline water, since the stomach acid is so acidic that it will easily overpower it…

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          6 hours ago

          That’s only after your mouth and esophagus. Those aren’t really geared to tolerate exposure to strong acids or bases. Even foods that aren’t acidic enough to immediately damage these regions can still contribute to tooth enamel being worn away, for example. It’s either strong enough to at least consider the impact on those, or it’s weak enough that adding lemon is a questionable move.

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            4 hours ago

            Alright, yeah, we’re talking about a pH value of around 8 for alkaline water. That’s also the pH value for eggs, sea water or blood. So, I do imagine our mouth+esophagus can deal with that. At the very least, alkaline water should be food-safe.