London’s murder rate has dropped to its lowest in more than a decade with police in the capital and the mayor saying it is now one of the safest cities in the western world.

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  • CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.deOP
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    Which implies that there is no reason for their rise but fearmongering.

    No, really not so. Only if you think this is supposed to be a comprehensive discussion about the rise of the far right and not a look on specific details.

    It is but I would still take it serious and increase the police force. It doesn’t hurt immigrants to have more police and it removes an argument for the right wing parties.

    Hell no. German police has systemic issues with racism, racial profiling, right wing bias, etc. Thinking more police wouldn’t hurt is a very priviledged perspective. Also, more police costs a lot of money that would be better invested in prevention (which would also be cheaper in the long run).

    So why keep falling into that trap?

    Who’s falling?

    But what if 2023 is no outlier? Look at chapter 6.2, development of violent crimes, page 41.

    https://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/downloads/DE/publikationen/themen/sicherheit/BMI25028_pks-2024.pdf

    There seems to be a decline until 2021, after which violent crime is rising.

    Again, then you should first look into the developement of known factors that influence the decision for criminal behavior, like poverty rates, rising cost of living, crises, existential fears etc. And what happened in 2022?
    But also, the fearmongering of far right populists and parties began many years earlier than 2022.
    Plus we should look at what kind of crimes are happening. A large portion of the rise in violent crimes is attributed to neonazis attacking left wing people, queers, migrants, politicians, etc.
    And then you are specifically talking about violent crimes while the comment you answered to was talking about crime rates in general, so you slightly shifted the goalpost.

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      so you slightly shifted the goalpost.

      You can’t have it both ways. Above you are arguing for nuances but now focussing on the most relevant crime is wrong? “All crimes” includes crimes against immigration laws and shop lifting on one side and tax evasion on the other. I doubt that those are relevant to the discussion.

      Only if you think this is supposed to be a comprehensive discussion about the rise of the far right and not a look on specific details.

      I don’t understand this.

      Hell no. German police has systemic issues with racism, racial profiling,

      Then that has to be changed. Otherwise the left reduces itself to a tool for the creation of the appearance of democracy.

      Who’s falling?

      Who is not winning?

      Again, then you should first look into the developement of known …

      That’s the point where the AfD is winning. The default reaction can’t be to start with talking it away.

      rise in violent crimes is attributed to neonazis attacking left wing people

      Should be its own category. If not that would be a huge manipulation.