Sadiq Khan says ‘public health’ approach has made the capital one of the safest cities in the western world

London’s murder rate has dropped to its lowest in more than a decade with police in the capital and the mayor saying it is now one of the safest cities in the western world.

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  • plyth@feddit.orgEnglish
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    1 hour ago

    says that crime rates are not the reason for the rise of right wing parties. Nothing about fearmongering, that was my point.

    Which implies that there is no reason for their rise but fearmongering.

    Any acknowledgment that goes beyond “Yeah, that’s strange, however this is just an outlier at the moment, nothing to worry about yet” at the first sight of such an outlier is an overreaction.

    It is but I would still take it serious and increase the police force. It doesn’t hurt immigrants to have more police and it removes an argument for the right wing parties.

    and play the same bogeymen as the far right and you have a nice boost in popularity for the far right. A media landscape that on one hand supports far right narratives and on the other hand fails to contextualize news and politicians’ outputs also helps a lot.

    I agree. So why keep falling into that trap?

    But what if 2023 is no outlier? Look at chapter 6.2, development of violent crimes, page 41.

    https://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/downloads/DE/publikationen/themen/sicherheit/BMI25028_pks-2024.pdf

    There seems to be a decline until 2021, after which violent crime is rising.

    • CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.deOPEnglish
      2·
      40 minutes ago

      Which implies that there is no reason for their rise but fearmongering.

      No, really not so. Only if you think this is supposed to be a comprehensive discussion about the rise of the far right and not a look on specific details.

      It is but I would still take it serious and increase the police force. It doesn’t hurt immigrants to have more police and it removes an argument for the right wing parties.

      Hell no. German police has systemic issues with racism, racial profiling, right wing bias, etc. Thinking more police wouldn’t hurt is a very priviledged perspective. Also, more police costs a lot of money that would be better invested in prevention (which would also be cheaper in the long run).

      So why keep falling into that trap?

      Who’s falling?

      But what if 2023 is no outlier? Look at chapter 6.2, development of violent crimes, page 41.

      https://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/downloads/DE/publikationen/themen/sicherheit/BMI25028_pks-2024.pdf

      There seems to be a decline until 2021, after which violent crime is rising.

      Again, then you should first look into the developement of known factors that influence the decision for criminal behavior, like poverty rates, rising cost of living, crises, existential fears etc. And what happened in 2022?
      But also, the fearmongering of far right populists and parties began many years earlier than 2022.
      Plus we should look at what kind of crimes are happening. A large portion of the rise in violent crimes is attributed to neonazis attacking left wing people, queers, migrants, politicians, etc.
      And then you are specifically talking about violent crimes while the comment you answered to was talking about crime rates in general, so you slightly shifted the goalpost.