President Donald Trump has said the U.S. will revisit its stance on Greenland in the coming weeks.
Asked if he expected to take action on the territory, Trump told reporters aboard Air Force One on Sunday: “Let’s talk about Venezuela, Russia, Ukraine. We’ll worry about Greenland in about two months. Let’s talk about Greenland in 20 days.”
He added: “We need Greenland from a national security situation. It’s so strategic.”
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What deadline? Surrender or die?
Fuck the United States of America
From the quote, either two months or 20 days. The jist just being Trump is too busy to start another war now.
More likely it demonstrates that he doesn’t understand time.
It’s people like these that stop humanity from ever evolving past meaningless wars and eternal petty garbage. Trump, Putin, Xi and others are the reason why humanity can’t have good things.
Trump has forever tarnished the USA as a beacon of freedom and democracy. I’m hopeful the american people will see this eventually, but history contradicts that hope.
This
We need to stop allowing psychopaths and narcissists from getting any power whatsoever
We have a list of requirements if you want to become a fireman. If you want to become a lawyer, it’s a protected job that not anyone can do, you must pass the bar and whatnot to be able to call yourself one
Want to become a politician and make the rules? Suddenly there are no rules nor requirements, any idiot is welcome. WTF?
If you were born with, say, a deformed hand, we don’t let you become a fireman because you need your arms
If you’re born without the ability to feel empathy for others, or literally can only care about yourself, or are incapable or stopping with lying, then apparently you’re perfect for the type of job where you make rules for others and have to decide what happens to others. WTF?
Stop psychopaths and narcissists from becoming politicians, have a law against it
The problem this time is, there’s no “good guy” relatively speaking, to jump in and stop them this time. World War III has begun, and the fascists will win easily. Then they turn on each other.
I guess the good guy is whole of europe (not only eu)
Isnt xi, though a dictator, the smartest one among them, who is also trying to push technological advancements and at least trying to solve eco issues? Best of trio
I’m not sure if he’s smarter than Putin, but I guess if I had to hang out with one of them, it would be Xi.
I can not understand why you doubt it
Putin isn’t dumb? He underestimated how Europe and Ukraine would handle his invasion, but domestically he’s proven plenty adept at doing the job of kleptocrat.
Xi was also a nepobaby, for what it’s worth. Putin’s life trajectory involved more good luck at the very least, if not actual competence.
Did he? I’m not by any stretch a Putin supporter, yet I fail to see how he’s not 1) strengthening his support at home, and 2) winning the war of attrition in Ukraine
He’s pretty quickly running out of economy to fund the war. It’s very very expensive to pay people who don’t care about your war to die for it, and revenues have not gone up. Their industrial production is a joke and they’ve actually burned through the Soviet doomsday stockpiles. The original goal was to take Kiev immediately, watch as Europe does nothing a but write a strongly worded letter, and then move on to the Baltics. If there’s no deal keep an eye on the value of the ruble.
Meanwhile, Ukraine still hasn’t expanded conscription to under-25s, and still has access to bottomless Western supplies.
I’m also not sure how Putin’s domestic support is stronger than before. Fighting Ukraine is seen domestically in Russia a lot like fighting Canada would be in the US - nobody really wants to do that. Increasing both handouts and enforcement against dissidents has been a real priority for him, as a result.
Is that true? Im not arguing that the Russian economy is booming, but diversifying to export crude to China India and Turkey is helping the wartime economy trundle along in the war of attrition.
The Muscovite elites probably don’t care about the war as long as it’s not impacting them too much, these are not the people sent to the front lines.
Idk, I’ve heard for 4 years now that the Russian economy is about to collapse any second now, and the opposite seems to have happened. I fear this is a miscalculation from the Western allies
Putin believes he can become immortal by replacing his organs
Yeah, that was a conversation with Xi.
China’s a stronger country, no doubt. Mostly because of people who came before Xi.
In which he disappointedly replied max life expectancy is 150 years with current medical advancements
Nepobaby word really became popular recently, isnt it? Xi has better education, better in science, politics, shows better results economically ecologically. Better country in r and d. People in China live better than in Russia. Putin is just a thug who is lucky to be in right place right time.
It’s also plenty of people that support them. Some folks just like to watch the world burn.
What saddens me is that somehow the idea of uniting and flourishing together is not universally accepted as good. Some people always want more for themselves, and it’s often easy to manipulate them into identifying themselves and the nation, the nation and its leaders. To them, Trump or Putin or Xi getting another ambition played feels like personal victory. In fact, it’s rather everybody’s loss.
Trump, Putin, Xi and others are the reason why humanity can’t have good things.
Also, the “good” people who believe that remaining polite and non-confrontational is the best way to appease bullies, because it has ALWAYS worked so well on the past. They are the ones who determine that sometimes maniacs become so psychopathic, that we are better off letting them do whatever they want, because ultimately it might be slightly less lethal to millions of people.
Or you could keep those people away from the leadership of your nation in the first place, but that wouldn’t be polite. Everybody deserves a turn at the steering wheel, even if they are suicidal.
He issued them a threat.
I can’t wait to watch him actually do something against Greenland to try and take over it and watch as the rest of Europe pretty much does nothing.
Strongly worded emails are being considered.
Notice anything unusual?
- Nah.
Alt Text
Two armed guards at entrance of medieval castle. EU flag at top of entrance. Two guests entering. Closeups of guards’ blank faces.
Knight appears in the distance, Russian flag above head. Closeups of guards’ faces, staring blankly.
Russian flag above knight’s head joined by Hungarian and Slovak flags. Closeups of guards’ faces, staring blankly.
Flags joined by social media companies’ logos. Closeups of guards’ faces, staring blankly.
Flags and logos joined by drones. Closeups of guards’ faces, staring blankly.
Flags, logos, drones joined by USA flag. Knight slays 1st guard as 2nd guard looks on.
Knight and 1st guard out of frame, EU flag torn in half. 2nd guard says: “Hey!”Greenland is a goner, I’m afraid.
Even worse, with mounting aggression from East and West, and our own right-wing parties handing our enemies the continent on a silver platter, Greenland’s fall is going to usher in a century of humiliation for Europe.This. Europe will just watch and do nothing, as always
europe aint got a choice really
Not militarily. The EU can’t project force the way the US can. And if they didn’t instantly issue crippling sanctions against Russia’s aggression, right in their fucking backyard, they won’t do shit to the US.
A fatal flaw they should have learned of from watching China’s buildup of their navy and asking themselves “why do they need that,” but they assumed the US Navy would always be protecting their interests and not threatening them.
It’s like people don’t learn from history or something.
Yeah Xi China (and putin) also uses this gunbloat diplomacy that trump’s using now, we should check how other asian countries handle it
(beg America to tell them to fuck off)
Fuck trump
He added: “We need Greenland from a national security situation. It’s so strategic.”
The US already has military bases on Greenland in accordance with diplomatic agreements. This isn’t about national security or defense strategy. If it were, there would be diplomatic ways to increase US military presence. This risks losing the diplomatic agreements which allow the US to maintain a military presence there. It won’t be very strategic if US forces get banished from the realm.
This isn’t about national defense. It’s about natural resources. Trump wants to exploit Greenland for its rare minerals the same way he wants to exploit Venezuela for its crude oil.
It’s so transparent.
Greenland is strategic, in addition to mineral extraction. The GOP base may deny global warming, but the powers behind the throne get it. As the Arctic thaws and opens year-round shipping lanes, Greenland becomes prime territory to control.
As to bases, that’s a big chunk of land for our single base to cover. We’ll want several in key locations.
Should not have been surprised over Venezuela, the US has been scheming on that oil for over two decades, but I’d be surprised if we don’t take Greenland, with no real pretense.
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Even his most coherent quotes contradict themselves, and he talks shit all day long. And the phrasing “Greenland deadline” is a little too evocative for my taste, but clickbait is a must these days.
yes, it’s not like actually already invaded a country and kidnapped its leader… I mean, stop exaggerating please
It sounds like it’s a deadline for Greenland, which sounds ominous, but really he just said “we’ll talk about it”. Damn I hate how the media sanewash Trump all the time. He’s babbling! Don’t report on it as if he said something of consequence.
Apparently he thinks one month is ten days…
But yeah, calling that a deadline is kinda clickbaity.
Plus, it sound slike some decision will be made then, when all he said was “let’s talk about Greenland then”.
At best, it’s a deadline for him and his advisors, not for Greenland. Which is ludicrous anyhow.
From what he actually said, it sounds like talks about a potential decision will begin then. That’s not at all what a deadline is.
The way it was reported made it sound like a decision was already made, and actions would be taken by then. That’s not at all what he said though.
There’s already plenty of legitimate reasons to criticize him, so I can’t stand when journalists distort things to make them seem even worse. It gives too much credence to the people defending him by framing all criticism as media spin.
Things are already bad enough without reactionary sensationalism, so just focus on the facts without compromising journalistic integrity. Otherwise it’s just disinformation, which doesn’t help anyone. We’re supposed to be better than this.
focus on the facts
even contemplating invading Greenland is ludicrous
Exactly, and that’s what the journalism should focus on. It detracts from the message when they give it a misleading spin. It’s already bad enough without the distortion of facts. That’s the point I’m trying to make.
i think a civil war in NATO might be funsies
A “nato member” threatens invading another NATO member …
Well Europe, we’d better gear up. Although I don’t have much hope for us now our spineless ‘leaders’ don’t even dare to call the Venezuela illegal (let alone an act of war)
I really dislike the narrative ‘eu can’t leave nato’ / 'eu can’t push back on the us because we need them. I’d really like to know:
- how true this is
- how much the people in control want to change this
- how long it will take to change this
The eu can’t allow itself to be treated like this, but also can’t allow itself to be forced into a passive stance of having to agree. The eu needs to be able to stand up to this bully (and all the others).
'eu can’t push back on the us because we need them
The question is: For what do we need them?
They certainly will not respect Article 5 of the NATO treaty. They do not respect the sovereignty of the Kingdom of Denmark. They will use any(!) leverage they have against us, no matter what we do. What do we get for playing nice? Nothing! If I look at Starmer, Merz, Kallas, …, it looks like Chamberlain 2.0 and we know from experience that this will not work.
Maybe we buy some time but I do not see attempts to end the dependency. All I see is the hope that everything will be ok once Trump is gone. I doubt it.
The question is: For what do we need them?
For everyday life mostly payment processors and IT infrastructure. For both of them there’s some change in the plans, but it’s painfully slow and with the orange toddler it’s a reasonable threat to assume that those might vanish from EU overnight if there’s even moderate push for any change which he doesn’t like.
Then there’s obviously international trade, support for sanctions against Russia, support for Ukraine (whatever’s left of it) and a ton of other things, but specially Visa and Mastercard are pretty important part of everyday life for Joe Averages around Europe.
One word: gmail
Imagine the absolute IT and everyday life apocalypse if all european gmail users were no longer able to view their mails.
Outside of the usual, this possibility was the main push for me to migrate away from gmail.
At least in here Microsoft cloud going out would be a order of magnitude bigger issue than any Google service. Also it’s just not email/instant messaging, a ton of infrastructure on companies, financial and government, are dependent on AWS or Azure. Our team (and many others) could spin up replacement services relatively fast for basic email/file sharing/instant messaging but everything beyond that would be absolute pain in the rear.
I’d imagine gmail would fuck with the average person more (which would then overload every company with support requests though), while microsoft services would screw the corporations. Didn’t even think about how bad that would be.
Overall we’re just completely fucked when it comes to IT infrastructure if the US really wants us to be.
On a personal level that would be worse (in general, I personally don’t use gmail/hotmail/outlook…), I agree. But in here governments, healthcare, insurance companies, banks and pretty much everything relies on US based tech at least somewhat, so all of that going away tomorrow would grind nearly the whole society down to a halt.
For Ukraine support, the US isn’t providing any directly I don’t think. IIRC, the US has stopped all support but allows the sale of weapons to send to Ukraine. That’s still useful, as Europe can only manufacture so much, but we aren’t providing any funding anymore.
yes God forbid you can’t buy loot boxes in your video games… better be colonized by a rapist pedophile
No sure, did not meant that the eu legally can’t but indirectly is forced to stay because of the consequences.
Those consequences wouldn’t only be military, the eu is fucked across the board if we say goodbye to our ‘ally’.
Edit to clarify: i’m writing ‘eu’ but i guess it’d be factually better if i wrote ‘the other nato-members’.
Well nato membership isn’t an eu thing. It’s up to induvidual countries.
And they can leave, an exit protocol exists. More likely they mean “we are not ready to accept the implications of leaving”
The us thing is probably the dependancy of us produced weaponry
No sure, did not meant that the eu legally can’t but indirectly is forced to stay because of the consequences.
Those consequences wouldn’t only be military, the eu is fucked across the board if we say goodbye to our ‘ally’.
Erm, have you heard of the NATO members Greece and Turkey? They’re basically threatening to invade each other since Alexander the Great or something.
It goes back before that. What is now western Turkey has been inhabited by Greek-speaking people since around 1300 BCE. The time of Mycenae, and Ilios (Troy).
And did in Cyprus, after the Greeks had a little tiny fascist coup in 1967.
Ofcourse we’re spineless, america’s army is way bigger than ours, so yeah what else can we do …
There was a time where great men (actually this was a quote from a great woman, Dolores Ibarruri from Spain) lived in Europe… I guess not anymore
“Better to die on your feet than live forever on your knees.”
What deadline?
We’ll worry about Greenland in about two months. Let’s talk about Greenland in 20 days.
Is NOT a deadline, but a delusional person’s ramblings. Two months is not 20 days, fyi.
Stupid clickbait article title. I have to downvote this.
20 days is 2 business months for Trump.
Obviously he’s saying 160 hours is what he works in 2 months, so that’s 80 hours a month, or 20 hours a week on average. Shit, I didn’t know being the president is a part time job, with those benefits? sign me up!
Bro got attacked by his dementia mid-sentence.
You are under the mistaken impression that Trump is in charge. His dementia is far worse than just a few years ago, even two years ago. This time around his handlers have figured out how to manipulate him.
Taking Greenland isn’t Trump’s idea. If he wasn’t being fed ideas like this, he’d be plenty happy getting fatter, napping and continuing the grift from the Resolute desk.
The US is going to take Greenland. As global warming rolls on, mineral extraction becomes easier and more profitable, and Arctic sea lanes will open year-round. If you were playing Risk, taking Greenland would be a no-brainer.
Fucking Stephen Miller
It is not a clickbait title. It is an attempt at explaining to normal people what the crazy boomer with nukes is rambling about.
How is calling his incoherent ramblings a “deadline” helps anyone? At best it’s a misleading clickbait title.
Fyi here’s the definition of deadline - a time or day by which something must be done.
So what is the deadline?
Is it two months? Or 20 days? And what must happen by then?
It’s stupid to call this a deadline. But people reading the title only will actually believe there is some deadline pressure, and click on the article link to find out what that deadline is, but there is NO deadline.
Hence a clickbait title implying some looming deadline just so people click on it.
That’s exactly the problem of having to report what a crazy but ridiculously powerful person is saying. If you don’t take him seriously and just report that he’s just rambling incoherently then you’re going to be surprised when he actually uses his immense power. If you present his ramblings as a coherent declaration then you’re going to be discredited when he doesn’t follow through.
There is no easy answer here. I’m leaning towards the side that takes his sayings at face value because he’s too powerful not to.
By the way, it’s way less productive to direct your anger towards the journalists trying to make sense of what the madman is saying.
Also considering he does occasionally follow through on some of his ramblings and it’s quite apparent that the government apparatus will happily follow his orders (even if they shouldn’t), the prudent thing to do is report on them as though he’s serious about it.
Everyone with the capability to do so already understands that he simply regurgitates whatever shit someone manipulated him to say before the interview. That is when he’s coherent enough to make himself understood which frequently isn’t the case anymore. His dementia is already fairly advanced and it is going to accelerate even harder in the future. He’s sleeping standing up during official meetings, for fuck’s sake.
tl;dr: he’s not capable of making much sense anymore. The true power lurks behind him, we all know that.
deadline, definition number three from The American Heritage Dictionary: “A date on or before which something must be completed.”
So I guess twenty days away is the deadline, or date, for talking about Greenland again?
As annoying as headlines can be the tendency of people to intentionally misinterpret them is pretty annoying too.
Yes he said that about his health care plan 12 years ago. It was always a month away.
yep. but people are freaking out like he’s going to invade in two days because of their irrational fear response and their doomerism fantasizing.
To be fair, with Trump you never know… he’s just crazy…
we already have bases in Greenland. It’s already ‘conquered’.
As global warming advances, taking Greenland is a no-brainer for the US. All this talk is softening the blow. I’d put a crisp $100 against the US not invading in the next 6-months.
I propose a kind of peaceful ring exchange - Greenland to the US, Alaska to Canada, California to Denmark and Texas to Mexico. Yellowstone goes to the Vatican so they can prevent an eruption with prayers. The British kingdoms then go to Ireland, with the exception of Scotland, which goes to Bavaria because of cultural similarities.
Have we forgotten anything? Oh yes. Russia goes to Ukraine. For reparations reasons alone.
Don’t forget that Hawaii should go to Iceland due to volcanic brotherhood (and to give the Icelandics an opportunity to get a tan). And NYC goes back to the Netherlands if they’ll take it (think how expensive it would be to add all the bike lanes).
Think of how awesome NYC would be with all those bike lanes and green spaces
I was thinking the same thing after posting! Shut pretty much the whole of Manhattan to cars, only allow bikes and buses. Goods vehicles can deliver during the night. Think of the reduction in noise, smog, stress, and people could get wherever they want so much quicker than they do now!
And NYC goes back to the Netherlands if they’ll take it
As long as it gets renamed back to New Amsterdam
And they have to get bikelanes first
Why they changed it, I can’t say.
People just liked it better that way
The most sane suggestion in international geopolitics since a very long time!
… with the exception of Scotland, which goes to Bavaria because of cultural similarities.
As a german, I think this is an insult to all scottish people.
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No fucking thanks.
Signed a Dane.
You got something against obese senior citizen swingers?
Okay what if you just start going on vik again against them?
This is very Scottish phobic, they should obviously reunite with their motherland, Egypt.
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Germany is still far too big. i have several proposals in that regard.
We could rise an anti-fascist protection rampart between the democratic and the fascist states… some places even still have the towers, we just need to turn them around.
you mean all wendic territories should be ceded to Poland?
Only if we want Poland to become even more right-wing. But I’d sure be laugh.
Trust me, the Germans also want to get rid of Bavaria ;)
US: We need to violate your national security for our national security
to exploit your natural resources.Yeah, Trump clearly compensates for some insecurities
If you want every country to get nukes, this is how you do it. Countries with nukes don’t get invaded.
I miss the old world.
Fallout IRL
Countries with nukes don’t get invaded.
It’s a myth. The US could be planning to survive nuclear winter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_winter
At least they are working on it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_Starshield
We’ve been planning since the 50s, if not the 40s. Can’t imagine any sane government not having plans in place.
Let’s talk about the Epstein files.
Hot take: even if they would get released uncensored and in full, nothing would happen.
We would just have confirmation on what we aready know.
At this point talking about the files is a distraction from the atrocities the US government commits and not the other way around.
Yeah. I’ve been saying it for some time that Trumps base was more worried about him possibly blowing Clinton than him fucking kids. Trump could make a press statement saying he fucked kids and he loves fucking kids and he wants to continue fucking kids and the only thing that would happen (apart from the fake outrage) is conservatives would normalize fucking kids.
Conservatives HAVE already normalize fucking kids , and shitting his pants too.
Yeah, does anybody remember the Panama peppers?
Those were hot and spicy
Even hotter take: those thousands of pages may contain evidence of pedophelia, sex trafficking and abuse - but it is most likely a misdirect because the estate either wouldn’t release the blackmail material Epstein had on politicians of the world - large scale political crimes that would have them prosecuted in their own country - or couldn’t, because Epstein kept that under tight wrap.
And a molten lava take: the CIA was thr ones who offed Epstein so that Trump would never get access to that material, because then he’d have the same leverage Putin has over Russian politicians and elites, meaning he would have had a much higher chance of taking over the entire country - and they did it out of self preservation for themselves and not for liberty of US citizens.
But also: Venezuela is a distraction from the Epstein files, because most Americans agree that it is disgusting and the perpetrators should face justice. Now Greenland and Colombia is up to bat, because quoteth Trump:
“You shouldn’t be focusing on the Epstein files, but Venezuela, Russia and Ukraine - we’ll talk about Greenland in a couple of weeks” - which is something he said recently in an interview.
But, still: I’d like to personally thank the CIA for preventing a Putin 2.0: the Trumpeting, but also: Trump and everyone else in the released files should be tried and face justice.
Now if you’ll excuse me, this tea is making me feel queezy and I’ve been shedding hair more than usual lately - heck, I even shredded some skin. That’s normal for my age, right?
Denmark and the US are both in NATO, and NATO already has Greenland.
This is like Donald threatening Melania to steal her make up.
Request denied.
I’m concerned he thinks he’s able to take Greenland as easy as he was able to kidnap Maduro.
I’m concerned that anybody could think such spearheaded attacks could bring anything but chaos. I agree on Greenland, kidnapping a high value target with a flashy operation has nothing to do with conquest. Successful US dominance was based on diplomacy, imo Trump overrates military supremacy once deprived of diplomatic credibility.
I have thought for a long time that the chaos is the point. They’re not trying to do something strategically smart. They are trying to diminish the credibility of the US. They are corruptly manipulating US markets with big crazy moves as a means of transferring wealth to their friends while also trying to weaken the US.
They started small to see what they could get away with and have been progressively getting more wild with the moves they make.
He’s destroying the US Dollar basically, passing it’s “power” to its own crypto-currencies. Yes, he’ll destroy the United States long term viability in the process, but hey…
Don’t know if true but also completely plausible.
I’m concerned that anybody could think such spearheaded attacks could bring anything but chaos.
What about the last 9 years has suggested to you that he wants anything but chaos?
military supremacy
it’s not without limits though
For one, Trump’s not thinking. You are ascribing thought and intentions to a man you and I would long ago have sent to the home were he our grandfather.
His handlers put these ideas in his head and soon enough they’ll hand him invasion papers to sign. “Here are the orders you asked us to draw up.” That easy.
Speaking of easy, taking Greenland will be all too easy. Europe didn’t respond appropriately to the Russian threat in its own backyard; they’re hardly going to cross the Pond to oust the strongest military on Earth. Fuck me, the EU is still mumbling about further Russian sanctions, after years of this conflict.
Stories like this are for preparing US citizens, and the world at large, for the coming reality.
He CAN take it far easier than Maduro. But the consequences would be far greater and it would be much harder to hold it.
Won’t it? Not like europe could stop it or we have to choose to go to war with them ig economically and …physically? depends on usa, but they will rather give it up than start a war I bet
If its so strategic you could, Oh I don’t know…cooperate with Greenland and Denmark? You know, like normal world leaders?
Or you know. Like the US has done before Trump. There are already US military bases and I‘m sure he could have built more and even extracted minerals for a fee. But nope it has to be his. Fuck everyone else, including the US by proxy.
There’s a lot of oil in Greenland. Donnie wants that for his rich buddies.
Yeah, Denmark and the EU would happily let the US military do whatever they want/it needs to defend against Russia and China. This argument is bullshit, just like kidnapping Maduro because if drugs.
If there is one single thing that is consistent, it is that US foreign politics aims at enriching the Trump clan and the US oligarchs. Under this premise, it all makes sense.
The US HAS a base in Greenland. Formerly Thule Air Base, now Pituffik Space Base belongs to the United States Space Force, (which Trump created) and used to station B-52 Bombers and shit like that to threaten the USSR during the cold war.
Thing ist:
The 1951 Greenland Defense Agreement allows the United States to operate the base under a NATO framework, as long as both Denmark and the United States remain NATO members.
(Emphasis by me)
I think Trump wants to leave NATO and keep this important base.
hahahahaha referring to donald as normal … suggesting donald to cooperate … where have you been lately ? please start with 2025.
The US is not Trump. There must be a bunch of strategists who think that cooperation is enough. The US billionaires would impeach Trump if the move would be stupid.
So there is more to it. Crazy Trump is a deception.
Why play by rules when you don’t have to? Imagine explaining to the schoolyard bully that he has to work within an agreeable framework.
The US doesn’t sign onto international agreements like the ICC because they don’t have to.
