“I’ve been saving for months to get the Corsair Dominator 64GB CL30 kit,” one beleagured PC builder wrote on Reddit. “It was about $280 when I looked,” said u/RaidriarT, “Fast forward today on PCPartPicker, they want $547 for the same kit? A nearly 100% increase in a couple months?”
Just in time for all those windows PCs that MS is trying to force people to upgrade
Indeed awful. AFAIU, it is stockpiling HBM memory ahead of next generation “GPUs”, rather than existing product volume. I’m especially disgusted that prices in non-tariff countries are higher than in US. If this were to last, gddr5/6 computer ram would start to make sense. NVIDIA has been behind starving memory supplies for competing platforms (usually AMD) in the past.
This pricing is both huge inflation, but also huge drop in sales, because we have to wait for it to get sensible.
The non tariff nations getting hit with higher then us prices just shows how little they think of customers. They assume we will pay, they feel entitled to our money. The products have stagnanted, the prices are made up and clearly based on nothing but good old fashion “fuck you pay me” logic. My guess is they are assuming “AI” companies will just buy whatever they make.
If people keep buying however they will keep doing this. If the market drops out from them (AI bubble bursting at the same time people cut back on buying new systems) then they will likely ask for bailouts (your money again).
Apple specifically is provably charging countries without tariffs: https://iphone-worldwide.com/
Have the world subsidize US sales, just because they’re used to paying a little more. Not surprised that other goods would use same strategy.
Its just naked greed, the sooner the world can move away from america and these companies the better.
Doesn’t Windows 11 in practice require even more memory than Windows 10 to operate with decent performance?
Meanwhile my Linux gaming PC seems to actually use less memory than back when it was a Windows machine.
Constant surveillance will do that. Legit “telemetry” wouldn’t be using that much processing power.
I’m thinking Recall is just Microsoft trying to cut costs on their servers processing all the surveillance, and force users to pay the costs of all the extra electricity and equipment needed.
Nah it’s probably just Edge (aka Chrome) all over the new UI.
That wouldn’t show in the task manager as telemetry.
My work laptop was upgraded to Windows 11 and performance has severely suffered.
As someone who usually uses 3 monitors (sometimes 4) and does GIS, it’s an issue.
Are you using scaling?
On my work laptop dragging a window from one monitor to the next would make them “snag” in between borders as they struggled and stuttered trying to change the scale.
It looked soooo fucking stupid I couldn’t believe my eyesMany such moments with the PCs at work. I can’t wait to retire and never have to deal with anything modern again. What absolute dogshit and slop computers have become.
I got unreasonably upset the other day when I realized that windows can no longer seem to sort folders by size anymore.
You can tell just by the fan noise or monitoring cpu usage. Win 11 uses more cpu regularly.
I’m not sure if it’s bad, because they changed other things too like the start menu, and it’s less responsive.
Single app performance is about the same as 10.
The city is buying me like 15 grand in new software licenses this year, but I can’t convince them to spend another 2 grand on a new fucking computer because mine is “supposed” to be good for 2 more years.
Oh yeah. If you’ve got 4 GB ram, win 11 is going to absolutely skullfuck that machine.
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soon the bubble will burst and RAM will be so cheap! (I hope)
I don’t think the bubble bursting will slow AI that much, it’ll just be a round of hot potatoe over, the losers will lose their money and others will come in hoping to be profitable since they can skip a bunch of R&D costs.
AI is overhyped, but just like the internet after the dotcom bubble burst, it’s not going anywhere.
Plus I suspect that this time will be a dollar collapse rather than stock market collapse, which would mean prices would go up even more.
Buy one RAM and you get two GPUs thrown in for free!
It always does. I remember buying my DDR4 RAM 200€, and two months later the same kit was 550€. Some month later it was back at 220€.
RAM used to cost 8x that. It’s the reason why HP cases have locks.
RAM prices fluctuate but always return to normal pretty fast, at least compared to gpus and cpus
Genuine question here, for a “normal” computer user, say somebody who :
- browses the Web
- listens to music, play videos, etc
- sometimes plays video games, even 2025 AAAs and already has a GPU relatively recent and midrange, say something from e.g. 2020
- even codes something of a normal size, let’s say up to Firefox size (which is huge)
… which task does require more than say 32Go?
For a normal user, 16G is still enough.
But for a power user like me, a Dev, with multiple IDE open, multiple browsers, a database manager with a dockerized DB, I’m basically at 96-98% RAM all the time.
But even then, if you use a local AI, prepare to loose multiple Gigs to it.
I already used more than 30 Gigs on one LLM (dolphin-mixtral:8x7B for the curious), when I tried testing it, and a more reasonable Mistral:7B still took me like 4Gigs just to run.For normal use like that 16GB is generally just fine. Some games can use enough that you’ll need to close Firefox and other RAM hungry programs though.
As far as needing more than that, people who do heavy design work or edit videos and that kind of thing generally do. For example 32GB running Fusion in Davinci Resolve can be a bit limiting sometimes with higher resolution or 10 bit footage.
I don’t know but I am constantly hitting the RAM limit with 16Gb of RAM with around 20-30 open tabs and other apps, both on Linux and Windows
Do you actually feel your computer slow down? I would guess your 20 unused tabs would get swapped out and the rest should run relatively fine
If by normal you average, they don’t even really need 16gb.
Creative work can gobble up ram, heavy ass multitasking does as well.
So it’s more in the digitally productive professional or hobbyist cases where you need such amounts as a person.For development high amounts of rams can be useful for all sorts of stuff, it’s not just compiling, but also testing, though 32 is often enough.
You probably dont but 32gb ddr5 is minimum 200$ right now for the slowest.
God fucking damn it… Now they want our RAM?!
I need that for all my Chrome tabs, you fucking clankers!
the worst part is I have always been stingy about upgrading my ram figuring I could always do it later so I run real lean. I only recently went to 16 and ran at 8 for a long while but im pretty sure 32 would help a lot.
Who’s bewildered? Of course this was going to happen. Everything enjoyable about life is being ruined. It’s not surprising at all.
Far as RAM goes, it will become a good thing: it gives companies incentive to invest into the development of bigger RAM, more speed, and making the motherboard bandwidth big enough to handle it.
The next big generation of hardware will be much better IMO, simply because the companies will have to compete by their merits. The downside is not having enough supply right now, but once the logistics and tech is in place, even non-AI people will benefit.
No, it won’t. The DRAM market is dominated by three companies, and they’ve colluded before. They get their wrist slapped by some government body, they promise not to do it again, and then they wait a few years and do it again.
They’ll also have an electrical outage the millisecond demand starts to go down, so they’ll have to sell the old stock at inflated prices first before restarting production, oopsie-woopsie
The downside is not having enough supply right now, but once the logistics and tech is in place, even non-AI people will benefit.
Have you forgotten that they agreed to reduce production to stabilize prices? Capacity is not the real bottleneck.
Wow I just checked the laptop kit I bought a month ago it is 50% more
AI increases my power utility bill
AI takes my water
AI increases the price of GPUs
AI increases the price of RAM
AI makes my search results worse and slower
AI is inserted into every website, app, program, and service making them all worseAll so businesses and companies can increase productivity, reduce staff, and then turn around and increase prices to customers.
Increase productivity?
All so businesses and companies can increase productivity, reduce staff, and then turn around and increase prices to customers.
As if. The only thing AI is to businesses is a lost bet. And they don’t like losing. So they’re betting even more, hoping some shiny “AGI” starts existing if they throw enough money into wasting other resources onto the AI bandwagon.
So companies can “appear” to increase productivity
Lets not also forget that for a bunch of them, they want to completely replace lightning fast, simple UI with AI so they don’t need their own programmers, and your experience doing things is outright painful.
Isn’t capitalism a blast?
Yeah I am beyond ready for the next new fad.
Cannabilism.
The next fad will be Thunderdome. Are you ready to go beyond that?
This seems like an appropriate place for me to bitch:
2 months ago I bought a new pre-built pc. It should’ve had 64gb of ram but had 32gb. They said the sticks they used were out of stock so they gave me a credit for $100 USD. I spent the 100 on 32gb more of what I thought was the exact same ram. I fucked up and bought a slightly higher speed so they wouldn’t work together after I tried for an afternoon. I also checked the correct listing i should’ve bought but it was more expensive, at about $125.
I gave up and decided I’d just buy the faster ram again when it came back, rather than return it and get the correct one. It went out of stock in the time it took me to get my order so I figured I’d just wait.
2 MONTHS later, it never came back in stock but an almost identical pair, with slightly different timing, is in stock right now at $216. If i had any idea this was coming in just 2 months, I could’ve just bought 64gb at once and started fresh, or corrected my mistake by returning what I bought.
So i guess I’ll continue waiting, but hey at least notepad has copilot in it.
could be a bios setting that allows your ram to work at lower speed.
I’ll bet there is, but I gave it a solid few hours without really knowing what I was doing
I just don’t see the value of having 64gb of RAM. Not for the conventional user, not for gamers, not for the average power user either. Maybe there’s a need if you’re doing a lot of video editing and large file manipulation… but like… I would argue that MOST people, unless they’re trying to play AAA games while streaming and gooning don’t need more than 16gb
I have 32gb and I’ve never topped it out. And yea, Windows eats a lot (I really need to give up the ghost and migrate to Linux) but even still, 32gb, and I don’t even get close. 64gb is just going to be a lot of unused space. Bigger number doesn’t mean better. I doubt you’d even notice unless you fall into the previously mentioned category of users.
I’ve capped out 32 and still do fairly regularly. But I used to do a bunch of 3D and rendering. Now I do photo editing and just have other stuff open. 64 would help a bit for me but I can live.
At this point, I originally paid for 64 so I’m trying to get there out of principal, and I’d be there if I paid more attention.
I like to dick around with my nerd stuff and I did have the pc lock up because I used all of the 32gb ram, but I suspect 64 would’ve had the same issue in that particular instance.
In either case, my last pc buy was a decade ago, where 16GB was more than you’d need. If prices are reasonable again, getting myself to 64GB would just make sure I’m set for another decade, probably.
Just curious, what do you actually use which requires more than 32Go?
At the moment, not much. I’m trying to learn more and more and do more and more, really it’s just that I paid for 64, but then the seller and I both fucked up and I’m still at 32 now, which bugs me. Then at that same exact time frame, the prices skyrocketed.
Sorry to hear, hopefully you’ll get a solution soon. Thanks for the clarification
Hey what’s the Go unit? Is that short for GiB?
giga octet, like byte https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octet_(computing)
Thank you!
I always thought ram of different speeds worked together, they just were run at the speed of the slowest stick.
I thought so too, but after a few hours I gave up.
In theory yes. In practice it depends on how finicky your motherboard is.
Nice article but the numbers are a lot lower here in the EU.
While there is some pricing increase it’s currently more around 50% and not 100%.
The selected kit is also extremely expensive (350€ was ~300€) - similar kits are available for a lot less (270€ was ~180€) - so I doubt that anyone was buying it in the first place.
I also think it’s not completely AI related but more likely that this is another RAM price fixing scandal happening right now. Pretty much the same that we see today happend in 2017-2018.
Europe is also hit hard. The kit I was about to buy increased from 850 to 2K euro…
Bruh, my whole mid-to-high range gaming PC costs 850 to 2K euro. What is the intended use of such an expensive RAM kit? Is it LLMs again?
Not LLM in this case actually. Virtualization mostly with qubes OS
Scientific applications. My lab has a PC running 196GB RAM for processing 3D and 4D microscopy voxel datasets.
Sounds more like the applications require some serious optimizations to me…
Assuming that you don’t need the absolute tightest timings and highest speed, you can get 192 GB from Corsair for “just” 660 euros where I live, pretty far still from 2000 euros. The speed and timings are the same as the 1300 euro kit, also from Corsair, it’s just that the cheaper kit has no RGB.
So at 2k EUR I’m assuming it’s going to be either more than 192 GB (in which case, is that even a desktop motherboard or are we talking about servers?) or some super high speed RAM.
First crypto miners came for my video cards, then AI came for my DIMMS…
Remember that shitcoin that made HDD prices shoot up like crazy just because?
Now we just need a new nonsensical fad to drive Cases, Motherboards, CPUs and PSUs up and we’ll have come full circleNext tech-sector grift will probably go for our network adapters or some shit…
I’ve got a stack of old 14.4 modems I’ll sell them if they’ll grift on that for a bit.
Remember when “Chia coin” came for our HDDs too?
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/hard-drive-prices-skyrocket-asia-scalpers-making-bank
next the tech-bros will come for you and there will be nobody left to speak up.
Dang, now i know why micron stock has gone wild.
People buying RAM: oh no, what do we do?
People buying GPUs: first time?
Those are the same people.
What?
You think this is the first ram crunch?
It’s not even the first one in this decade…
Well, I was aware RAM prices fluctuate.
I’ve never been so unfortunate when buying larger RAM, or building a new system with a new DDR version.
They don’t real fluctuate, it’s more oscillating.
Sometimes it’s “normal” but due to a wide range of issues that can change quickly and stay that way for months because everyone waits till prices go down. So as they go down, people stop waiting,
