While summer time is better for daylight after work, winter time is the one where at 12 the sun is at the highest point.
On the other hand, if we had not saved daylight we would have probably ran out by now.
It’s “have run,” not “have ran.” Thanks for coming to my TURD Talk.
A lot of people have started using simple past tense for all perfect tenses lately, but I don’t like change, dangit.
Yeah I mostly learned English watching Cartoon Network, when it wasn’t with subtitles or dubbed. They basically started airing in the Netherlands and an entire generation learned English by watching cartoons after school.
This is now repeating with YouTube and teens watching a lot of English youtubers.
I miss those days, Dexter’s laboratory, Dragonball Z, two stupid dogs…
Beam me up Scotty!
I heard there’s more car crashes in the morning if you get rid of daylight savings time
I heard a lot of things surrounding daylight savings, but I belive that it’s just bad for us.
I heard the opposite though
Since nobody can agree on which time to keep I doubt it’ll lead to anything. By now I’ve kinda gotten used to it anyway.
Nobody agrees on which one is better but I’d say a majority agrees that sticking to one is better
That’s like saying we can’t agree if we want burgers or steak so let’s all have nothing instead
That’s exactly what it’s like, which is why I suspect you’ll all be enjoying a nice big slab of nothing.
Meet in the middle, and be done with it. Instead of going back an hour this weekend. Go back a half hour, and just leave it there forever.
Tell that to the people who lose an hours’ worth of pay every year to the companies that happily adjust their timecards in the fall and then all too conveniently forget to fix them in the spring.
I remember that at some point in the 90s or 2000s you could buy watches with beats time. A day was divided in 1000 beats and there where no timezones. So 300 beats could be breakfast for me and bedtime for you.
I think I would actually really like a global system like that.
That doesn’t really solve the problem, it’s just relabeling the existing system. The bigger issue is that over the course of a year we don’t change when we do things.
You’re expected to arrive at work at a particular time, at no point did they ever say oh it’s still dark at 7am feel free to come in an hour later. No business would ever do that, so they have to change the clocks so that 7:00 a.m. now happens later.
The whole decimalization and universal time thing would require businesses to make that accommodation. Which is not going to happen.
With a system like .beat (or internet time as it was also called), there are no timezones and there is no daylight savings time.
If we would use a system like that, I’m pretty sure stores in Barcelona would open at a different time than stores in Amsterdam, because the sunrise at different moments. Now we have the same timezone, because it works wel for trade, not because its the best local time.
Using the exact same time globally could fix that. We use the same time for meetings with people abroad but choose the time that fits when the sun rises
It’s about time.
No. It’s one hour too early.
UTC for all.
Man that would fucking blow for so many people.
The date would change in the middle of a business day
Fun fact: In some countries you can say “see you tomorrow” when going for lunch.
Live service game enjoyers everywhere: yourfirsttimequestionmark.gif
People who work night shift:
Like it changes at midnight?
I mean that’s not really the issue
The issue is like restaurants opening for dinner at 7AM and such
It would be a big cultural shift
Like if midnight was the middle of your solar day (and work day) like it would be in many countries, it’d be pretty tricky for a lot of things.
I see it as a giant hammer of a solution. The times you could just get used to be the day shift in the middle of stuff seems tough to me
Store hours:
Monday 20-24
Tuesday 0-6, 20-24
Etc
Or perhaps
Monday 20-06 Tuesday 20-06
But like bank transactions, rent being due on a certain day, like it all becomes tough in my opinion. Nevermind all the code that would be insanely broken
Actually code would probably be the easiest thing. Unless it’s very badly programmed computers don’t care about what the actual date is, the care how many seconds have passed.
The hardest thing to reprogram would be human culture. I suspect there would be massive pushback against the idea.
I agree, but I think that 80% of the code I’ve seen in my life that isn’t based on OS time would be very broken. Factory automation and the like.
A fixable problem, but again largely unnecessary one imo
I hate DST though and think that either summer or winter time permanently would both be better than switching
Years ago, the EU parliament decided to abandon DST - with a vast majority. They sent it to the governments as “Homework” to determine whether to keep Summer- or Standard Time. Nothing came out of it.
The EU parliament didn’t vote to abandon DST, they voted for letting countries decide if they want to do DST or if they want to stick to one time zone. Apparently most countries decided to stick with DST.
They were asking for feedback and I sure wrote a bunch and sent an email or wtv it was supporting the idea of killing it please for yesterday.
They should obviously keep standard time. No one wants light at 10pm!!!
I stand corrected. People seem to love evening sunlight
No one wants light at 10pm!!!
I do
I would 100% rather light at 10pm than 4am where it’s totally wasted.
Current light breakdown in Ireland over the year:
I always forget how far north a lot of Europe is. The fact Dublin is further north than most Canadian major cities throws me for a loop
Yeah it’s one of those weird map oddities that’s more noticeable on a globe.
We are mega fucked here if the gulf of Mexico ever stops sending us that warm water goodness.
Literally the plot of “The Day after Tomorrow” although the movie is ridiculously over the top of course
It’s actually the Atlantic Ocean arm of the Oceanic Conveyor Belt bringing to Europe warm waters from Africa.
The only relation with the Gulf Of Mexico is that the western side of that current (which goes in the opposite direction, so North -> South, along the Eastern Northern and Southern America) passes alongside it.
You mean the Gulf of America? /s
Gulf of release the Epstein files
Idk what you want since you’re only getting about 4 hours of night in the summer. You gotta just waste some daylight when you live that far north
nah, I want to see the stars without having to stay up late, and light until 10pm would mess with my body’s schedule
Light at 10pm isn’t useful, but neither is light at 4am
Dawn at 5:30 or later would be bestI live in Spain, having light at 11 pm is pretty cool.
It is a bit more complicated. Back in the time (no pun intended) they made a mess by putting most of Europe in one time zone, from west of Spain to east of Poland. Which is 9° west to 28° east, more than 2 and a half time zones. Technically, Europe should split into at least two time zones. And this is going to be a mess.
You live in the western end of your time zone, and at a pretty high latitude. That’s the only way to get sunset after 10pm. Your summer sunrise must be about 3am. And you must only see about 5 hours of daylight during winter.
If you are experiencing sunset 2 hours before midnight, the eastern end of your time zone is experiencing sunrise two hours after midnight. Nobody wants sunrise at 2am.
I would say that you should not be in your time zone. Your region should be in the next time zone to the west. Their DST schedule is your standard time schedule.
Alternatively, there is nothing stopping the eastern end of your time zone from joining the next zone to the east, so that their year-round clocks make more sense for them.
Any viable plan to lock the clocks is going to have to include provisions for our regions to select the time zone we want to use.
They don’t have to be far west for sunset at 22 (with DST as I think you missed), just far enough north. With 6 hours of night in the summer, the centre of the timezone will have nighttime from 22 to 4.
“far enough north” for this effect is above 59° latitude, and doesn’t include places like Iceland that don’t observe DST. The population density above 59° is a rounding error above zero.
The only place to reach it in the southern hemisphere is Antarctica itself and a few islands.
Their votes and opinions certainly count, but the rest of the world should not be forced to use a bad time system just to appease the very few who live that high. Especially when they have other alternatives available to resolve their problem.
The overwhelming majority of people who experience this effect of DST are on the west end of their current time zones at a much lower latitude.
Remember to default to “they” and not “he” for people with unknown pronouns and unknown gender
My bad, fixed. Thanks for keeping me vigilant.
I suggest we start using a new metric:
It’s been x amount of seconds since the USA empire fell.
So it’s the year 65 right now?
YESSSSSS
Pick real time and let people adjust their schedules. It’s easier and the science backs it up.
Pick real time
And have to put up with Bill Maher? No thanks.
Solar time.
Any particular reason why a sovereign country can’t just decide to do this on its own? Why does it have to be a pan-european thing?
Time chaos in EU.
Imagine organizing military responses or shipping logistics when you can go under an hour then forward and then under an hour again just crossing 3 countries.
Eh, it works fine in Arizona. The US uses daylight savings, but Arizona doesn’t, except for some of the reservations in Arizona that do. You can go forward and back an hour twice just crossing Arizona
Ninja edit: As I say that, I remember why I even know that - I once spent an entire morning working out a bug in one of my daily jobs. Turned out because a team member in Arizona wrote the script and scheduled it, and a different team member not in Arizona wrote an orchestration to collect results, they ended up off-sync once daylight savings hit. Maybe it doesn’t work
The true problem here is using individual floating reference time instead of fixed or shared reference times.
Programming should always use Epoch or UTC+0 internally. All translation to local time would be just that, a translation.
The majority of similar scheduling bugs is due to not being explicit with what your reference time is. For automated background tasks that should always be absolute time. It’s only when you’re scheduling in reference to events that run at times that are fixed to their local timezones that you should be referring to that kind of floating reference, and then you should link all the references together so everything connected to the event pulls the same timezone reference, etc
Time bandits even!
Now that’s a reference 👌
It doesn’t even matter which they pick, just pick one! We’re free to live our lives independently from the clock. There’s no natural law that states work starts at 8.
Isn’t the most important industry dependent(photosynthesis doesn’t wait for you) on the clock? I guess you mean the numbers we choose don’t really matter, then I agree.
Yes, it could say alpha for all I care. As you say, the sun dictates the day, not our clock, but the grindset is so entrenched that it’s easier to change clocks than individual work settings.
If Spain chooses to continue to synchronize opening hours with central Europe, they can do that regardless of what the number on the clock is.
Yes, please, do it already!
At the mere mention of changing the summer time, you get all bar and restaurant people shouting to not touch it.
But actually we’re in the wrong time zone too, so summer time is actually just having office hours from 07:00 to 15:00 solar time but with more lying.
YES FINALLY!
Funny coincidence that they started doing that after i commited myself to life in winter time for ever. Wake up at 5 summer time and 6 winter time
I will never understand the push to kill daylight savings. And of course it would be Spain that’s pushing for this a country where they’re not really affected by it, but they want to take it away for the entirety of Europe. There have been pretty conclusive studies that indicate that you should wake with the rise of the sun. Unfortunately our lives don’t work like that, you get up at 7:00 a.m. whatever the sun is doing, so I would prefer it if we kept 7:00 a.m. to be about the time the sun comes up. Why is that a controversial take?
It has measurable negative effects on health.
Not everyone gets up at 7 am? Probably not even the majority. At least over here elementary starts at 7:30 and most people have their kids in daycare by that time as well. Moreover, time zones are big - so what might be a sunrise at 7 for you might be, depending on the relative location, a sunrise at 7:30 (or 6:30).
This is also why this is so immensely complicated. For some EU countries winter time would be better, for others, summer time. While they are in the same time zone. If you let every country choose what time they will pick or whether or not they will keep daylight saving you’ll get a patchwork of relatively small countries all operating at different times. Imagine living in Luxemburg, it’s 5 pm, in Belgium it is 5, in France 4, in Germany 6, in the Netherlands 4 again, then Spain hits you with 6 and Austria salutes you at 5. Have fun with that.
Spain should start by switching to it’s logical time-zone. But then, yes, please. Longer evenings much preferred.
What’s the “logical” time zone?
The one closer to Spanish solar time, or the one shared by most EU countries, which facilitates trade and cross-border cooperation?We don’t have our current time zone because of that. We have it because a fascist dictator wanted to be on the same time zone as Hitler.
And the logical timezone is of course GMT, the one closer to Spanish solar time. It’s been proven that it’s not healthy to be in a timezone that doesn’t correspond to your solar time, unless you adapt all the schedules to follow the sun.
Then adapt the schedules without making every cross-border interaction artificially messier
