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    Aren’t we talking about how Germany supported the US enarmment?

    You were talking about China devaluing the Yuan. How’s that related with US rearmament?

    Focus, please.

    Lol. Your quote: “the US control the governing parties and they can monitor any change in the mood of the population”

    I can see why you want to concentrate on the ‘mood of the population’ part, when clearly the biggest problem is ‘the US control the governing parties’. So let’s concentrate on that, because it is a wild claim.

    So if you want the EU to be independent you have to find a way to compensate that influence.

    So?

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      You were talking about China devaluing the Yuan. How’s that related with US rearmament?

      You forgot, but remember the other quote? Germany also stored Dollar securities.

      If the US control the governing parties and they can monitor any change in the mood of the population, do you think there will ever be a successful movement for European independence?

      Ok, I see where you are coming from. The if is also meant for the monitoring. Right now we don’t have that surveillance.

      the biggest problem is ‘the US control the governing parties’.

      You have seen the credit. Do you think that influencing elections was a new thing?

      So?

      The pressure won’t result in change.

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        You forgot, but remember the other quote? Germany also stored Dollar securities.

        So hang on: your point is that by holding USD securities, Germany’s trade surplus has enabled the US to have the military it has today and therefore you interpret it as supporting the US?? But now, Trump doesn’t like that anymore?

        Do you think that influencing elections was a new thing?

        No. I just think it is wild to assume from that that the US effectively controls us.

        The pressure won’t result in change.

        As you keep saying, despite evidence for the contrary.

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          you interpret it as supporting the US?? But now, Trump doesn’t like that anymore?

          Yes, like the Chinese surplus.

          I just think it is wild

          It is, but why should it be different?

          despite evidence for the contrary.

          If some linux servers are enough, that would be nice. It is possible that it is the impulse that fundamentally changes politics. But I think it’s the same as in the US. They have the no king protests but they change not much about what the Trump government does. There are unmarked agents taking people away and it is accepted. Europeans are not fundamentally different.

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            Yes, like the Chinese surplus.

            You do realise that the amount of US treasuries held by the Chinese far surpass those held by Germany? So if you’d really follow your theory, wouldn’t you have to blame China for bolstering the US military instead?

            It is, but why should it be different?

            Because observing individual examples doesn’t allow for deducing that it applies to all.

            If some linux servers are enough, that would be nice.

            It is a start. Why don’t you allow it to develop?

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              wouldn’t you have to blame China for bolstering the US military instead?

              Yes, but that was not the point. Germany has done it for decades, so having to live with tariffs and LNG imports doesn’t change much.

              Because observing individual examples doesn’t allow for deducing that it applies to all.

              Right in theory but not in practice.

              Why don’t you allow it to develop?

              I do. Let’s hope it is as successful as the various emancipation movements.

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                Yes, but that was not the point.

                :D I can imagine! Let’s face it: if that really was a kind of super hack for the US to get their dominating military, their biggest rival wouldn’t be one of the biggest partakers in it since their adoption of market economy in the 80s.

                Right in theory but not in practice.

                Absolutely right in practice. Giving in to a simplified world view based on individual events is always a dumb idea. Be it that individual criminal offences by foreigners don’t constitute a general criminality of foreigners or, like in this case, assuming that the US effectively controls our politics.

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                  their biggest rival wouldn’t be one of the biggest partakers

                  It has worked out for them, hasn’t it? It’s all about capturing the production processes. The US now has to contain them to come out ahead.

                  based on individual events

                  The individual part is important. Foreigners are individuals, US foreign policy isn’t.

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                    It has worked out for them, hasn’t it?

                    How? According to your theory, they have been heavily bolstering the US military for decades. At least that’s what you want to blame Germany with, but somehow for China the same would be a win?

                    US foreign policy isn’t.

                    So you want to extrapolate that because Trump is trying to save Milei with money, the US is effectively controlling us all?