What liberals opposed this? It’s weird that liberal is now a word Americans use to mean whoever they dislike. I know the right loves ICE but what liberal does?
They’re raiding schools and courthouses my dude. If you think Obama tolerated ICE ambushing people at their immigration hearings than you are reeeeeeeeeeaaally dumb. Sorry not sorry.
You don’t think immigration enforcement had been doing horrendous shit before this last year? At the school of the Americas border patrol agents taught fascist kill squads that systematically raping nuns is a good way to pacify a populace. It’s always been a shit organization.
Oh I forgot, the American left has gone insane. You guys punch left and blame Obama now, while trump and the right eat your lunch.
FYI it’s not Obama, or even trump, it’s your trash country and its trash people. As an indigenous person, im enjoying you morons eat each other, can’t wait for your country to die
See that’s the problem, when did I advocate for ice? You hear what you want to hear and explode on anyone who even so much as asks a question. There is no more discourse, anyone even slightly right or even left of you is an enemy. That’s why you guys are fucked, and you deserve it.
You asked should Obama have abolished ice. I said yes. You then called everyone on the left insane and the entire country trash. But it’s other people who explode huh? And if someone answering yes to a simple question gets that vitriolic of a response I have trouble believing you weren’t advocating one way or another.
Many Democratic politicians, such as Senator Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota and former Vice President Kamala Harris of California, believe that ICE should be reformed rather than abolished. Harris stated that Democrats should “critically re-examine ICE” and “think about starting from scratch” with American immigration policy, while Senator Bernie Sanders stated that Democrats should instead encourage Trump to work with them on “a national program which deals with this serious issue.”
A surge in young women who identify as politically liberal in recent years goes beyond the label, extending particularly to their stances on the environment and abortion.
Values and Beliefs survey finds that Americans are currently about equally likely to say their views are conservative (32%), moderate (32%) or liberal (33%) on social issues
Conservative and liberal students at two small Midwest universities have been meeting every month to talk politics, while practicing listening and avoiding making assumptions about the other side.
You must understand, the Russian and Chinese agents who seek to divide us are now turning Democrats against each over by bisecting them into “the left” and an ancient definition of “liberals” that would include George Bush Sr among other right wing characters.
That what the aim of these posts is. Any time you see “the left” pitted against “liberals”, you can safely ignore whatever bullshit else is on the page.
Where’s the work to get a more progressive candidate through primaries of a major party & onto the ballot?
So far it looks like splitting up factions instead of that.
You mean like Bernie Sanders, who the democratic party fought harder against than Trump? Good luck getting a progressive candidate to pass through the party-controlled primary process.
Persistence is key, and there are other political offices & levels of government.
Republicans didn’t take power by limiting their focus to the federal presidency.
Internecine battles don’t necessarily promote more progressives onto ballots.
I don’t understand the question. Can you please specify what location you would like me to provide example candidates for? Also, how many ‘s’ letters are in “strawberry”?
No, you don’t get to decide which personal freedoms count & which don’t in what they stand for: they stand for personal freedoms.
Liberalism is broad, and the linked site on party classifications shows it’s neither left nor right wing, though more specific subclassifications can be placed somewhere.
Broadly
it favours free markets, free trade, limited governments, low taxes and private property (economic liberalism) as well as equality for all citizens under the law, civil rights, secularism and freedom of speech and religion.
You’re neglecting subclassification
Social liberalism: Social liberal parties stress civil and human rights and favour a social market economy.
which is leftist.
Leftism is the pursuit of equality/egalitarianism.
Let’s not pretend conservative liberalism or neoliberalism is the only liberalism.
No, you don’t get to decide which personal freedoms count & which don’t in what they stand for: they stand for personal freedoms.
I don’t decide. I analyse. Liberals focus on negative freedoms. That is political reality.
Liberalism is broad, and the linked site on party classifications shows it’s neither left nor right wing, though more specific subclassifications can be placed somewhere. Broadly
OP meant liberal parties in the political context of the so-called “USA”. In that context, liberalism is right wing.
You’re neglecting subclassification
How. Your quote conicides with my argument. Liberalism is in favour of capitalism.
which is leftist. Leftism is the pursuit of equality/egalitarianism.
No. Watch the videos. Leftism is in favour of dismantling existing hierarchichal power structures in favour of equality. A “social market economy” is still capitalist.
Let’s not pretend conservative liberalism or neoliberalism is the only liberalism.
They have vital things in common. And I (and OOP) oppose pretty much the complete intersection.
Back to topic: Liberals in the US definetly opposed the abolition of ICE. Probably because of the whole “rule of law” bu&iness in liberalism and because they think that ICE protects the interests of capital.
These influences now have moved overseas to the UK and Australia.
It’s pretty universally accepted by anyone who cares enough to look that there are Eastern European (Russian) bot farms manipulating social media to divide and weaken Western countries.
What liberals opposed this? It’s weird that liberal is now a word Americans use to mean whoever they dislike. I know the right loves ICE but what liberal does?
Obama and Biden had full, 100% unchecked authority to shut down ICE but they didn’t.
Did they need to? Obama wasnt running 2025 ICE.
ICE has literally always been this way, just smaller scale and careful to do their bullshit out of public view.
I’ve been complaining about the migra since your people were bombing my country and calling me a wetback
They’re raiding schools and courthouses my dude. If you think Obama tolerated ICE ambushing people at their immigration hearings than you are reeeeeeeeeeaaally dumb. Sorry not sorry.
You don’t think immigration enforcement had been doing horrendous shit before this last year? At the school of the Americas border patrol agents taught fascist kill squads that systematically raping nuns is a good way to pacify a populace. It’s always been a shit organization.
A frog in hot water you are.
You allllllmost made it to the end of my single sentence post.
Since you don’t seem to be a big fan of text, listen to this podcast which talks about some of the bullshit they’ve always been up to.
Buddy nobody is defending ICE here… except you… who’s normalizing their fascist takeover.
Please provide an example of ICE not being fascist.
A frog in hot water you are.
Yes
Oh I forgot, the American left has gone insane. You guys punch left and blame Obama now, while trump and the right eat your lunch.
FYI it’s not Obama, or even trump, it’s your trash country and its trash people. As an indigenous person, im enjoying you morons eat each other, can’t wait for your country to die
Then why the fuck would you advocate for keeping ICE around? ICE has been harassing native people for being dark-skinned for its entire existence.
They never did.
Neither did 90% of what the left considers liberals.
You are literally proving their point here.
See that’s the problem, when did I advocate for ice? You hear what you want to hear and explode on anyone who even so much as asks a question. There is no more discourse, anyone even slightly right or even left of you is an enemy. That’s why you guys are fucked, and you deserve it.
You asked should Obama have abolished ice. I said yes. You then called everyone on the left insane and the entire country trash. But it’s other people who explode huh? And if someone answering yes to a simple question gets that vitriolic of a response I have trouble believing you weren’t advocating one way or another.
The world would be a better place if every American including you dropped dead tomorrow
From Wikipedia:
He used the word absolutely the correct way.
Literally every single democratic politician in office
Americans? NPR, ProPublica, Gallup, Vox didn’t get that memo. Maybe online echo chambers that like dividing the left?
Reality check.
articles using liberal as left
How One Oregon Activist Is Using a Decades-Old Liberal Policy to Stall Green Energy Projects in Rural Areas
The “weirdos” shaping Trump’s second term: A liberal writer explains her journey through intellectual MAGAland
Inside the “Private and Confidential” Conservative Group That Promises to “Crush Liberal Dominance”
Exploring Young Women’s Leftward Expansion
U.S. Political Parties Historically Polarized Ideologically
Increase in Liberal Views Brings Ideological Parity on Social Issues
Conservative, liberal Midwest college students talk politics while practicing empathy
Republican legislatures look to put local issues in liberal areas under state control
The dictionary
progressive senses of liberal
You must understand, the Russian and Chinese agents who seek to divide us are now turning Democrats against each over by bisecting them into “the left” and an ancient definition of “liberals” that would include George Bush Sr among other right wing characters.
That what the aim of these posts is. Any time you see “the left” pitted against “liberals”, you can safely ignore whatever bullshit else is on the page.
Or maybe Democrat policy deserves legitimate criticism after repeated failures? No, it must be those scary foreigners.
Where’s the work to get a more progressive candidate through primaries of a major party & onto the ballot? So far it looks like splitting up factions instead of that.
You mean like Bernie Sanders, who the democratic party fought harder against than Trump? Good luck getting a progressive candidate to pass through the party-controlled primary process.
Persistence is key, and there are other political offices & levels of government. Republicans didn’t take power by limiting their focus to the federal presidency. Internecine battles don’t necessarily promote more progressives onto ballots.
I don’t understand the question. Can you please specify what location you would like me to provide example candidates for? Also, how many ‘s’ letters are in “strawberry”?
Maybe reread the question.
Oh, are we playing the AI game? Let’s pretend we’re AI. Here’s some fun punctuation:
–—…―Beep bip boop.
Are these Russian and Chinese agents who want to divide “us” (who do you mean with “us”?) In the room with us right now?
I guess I can ignore about 150 years of history then, huh? Liberalism is a right-wing ideology, homie.
Liberalism
The pursuit of personal freedom is right-wing? I didn’t know that. I still don’t know that!
Does the left-wing oppose personal freedom as a top priority?
I don’t know what source that is and I don’t want to open that link again.
Liberalism also has the guarantee of private property as another “most important goal”, which is why the ideology is so in favour of capitalism.
Also, liberals mostly focus on negative freedom, i.e. freedom from inhibitions, while e.g. leftists focus on freedom to do something.
So, yeah. Focusing on the freedom to squeeze your tenants for rent, destroy the environment, exploit your fellow humans, etc. is right wing.
If you really want to understand the “left-right” political framework, I can’t recommends the channel “what is politics” on youtube enough. This video should be a short intro to the topic, while this one goes into more detail.
No, you don’t get to decide which personal freedoms count & which don’t in what they stand for: they stand for personal freedoms.
Liberalism is broad, and the linked site on party classifications shows it’s neither left nor right wing, though more specific subclassifications can be placed somewhere. Broadly
You’re neglecting subclassification
which is leftist. Leftism is the pursuit of equality/egalitarianism.
Let’s not pretend conservative liberalism or neoliberalism is the only liberalism.
I don’t decide. I analyse. Liberals focus on negative freedoms. That is political reality.
OP meant liberal parties in the political context of the so-called “USA”. In that context, liberalism is right wing.
How. Your quote conicides with my argument. Liberalism is in favour of capitalism.
No. Watch the videos. Leftism is in favour of dismantling existing hierarchichal power structures in favour of equality. A “social market economy” is still capitalist.
They have vital things in common. And I (and OOP) oppose pretty much the complete intersection.
Back to topic: Liberals in the US definetly opposed the abolition of ICE. Probably because of the whole “rule of law” bu&iness in liberalism and because they think that ICE protects the interests of capital.
Scarily enough, Eastern European bot farms with strong ties to Russia have been all over the internet for ages.
https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/09/16/1035851/facebook-troll-farms-report-us-2020-election/
Also, Microsoft releases reports on foreign influence ahead of US elections:
https://msblogs.thesourcemediaassets.com/sites/5/2023/11/MTAC-Report-2024-Election-Threat-Assessment-11082023-2-1.pdf
https://msblogs.thesourcemediaassets.com/sites/5/2024/04/MTAC-Report-Elections-Report-Nation-states-engage-in-US-focused-influence-operations-ahead-of-US-presidential-election-04172024.pdf
These influences now have moved overseas to the UK and Australia.
It’s pretty universally accepted by anyone who cares enough to look that there are Eastern European (Russian) bot farms manipulating social media to divide and weaken Western countries.
yeah, it’s how we got brexit and trump
Funny how they also sell the “solutions” to this scary “problem”.
And… the explicit anarchist is a russian troll now? O.o
I don’t follow.
I was simply replying to the statement:
With some facts about that sort of thing happening, since many people seem to be unaware and take a similar tone implying it’s crazy.
Just because something exists, doesn’t mean it’s valid to accuse someone of being that thing whenever they say something you don’t like.
Nazis exist, too. That doesn’t mean it’s valid to accuse Anark of being a nazi.
That sounds just like what a leftist what believes slightly different than I do would say! They ruined leftism!
My favorite feature of being a lefty is how well we get along with each other.
My favorite lefties work on themselves and seek to genuinely understand the roots of any disagreement.
At the best of times, they cut through the crap by aligning with me on the basic values we all hold. Such as:
Isn’t this everyone’s experience?