• lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com
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    6 hours ago

    no true scotsman

    No, you don’t get to decide which personal freedoms count & which don’t in what they stand for: they stand for personal freedoms.

    Liberalism is broad, and the linked site on party classifications shows it’s neither left nor right wing, though more specific subclassifications can be placed somewhere. Broadly

    it favours free markets, free trade, limited governments, low taxes and private property (economic liberalism) as well as equality for all citizens under the law, civil rights, secularism and freedom of speech and religion.

    You’re neglecting subclassification

    Social liberalism: Social liberal parties stress civil and human rights and favour a social market economy.

    which is leftist. Leftism is the pursuit of equality/egalitarianism.

    Let’s not pretend conservative liberalism or neoliberalism is the only liberalism.

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      No, you don’t get to decide which personal freedoms count & which don’t in what they stand for: they stand for personal freedoms.

      I don’t decide. I analyse. Liberals focus on negative freedoms. That is political reality.

      Liberalism is broad, and the linked site on party classifications shows it’s neither left nor right wing, though more specific subclassifications can be placed somewhere. Broadly

      OP meant liberal parties in the political context of the so-called “USA”. In that context, liberalism is right wing.

      You’re neglecting subclassification

      How. Your quote conicides with my argument. Liberalism is in favour of capitalism.

      which is leftist. Leftism is the pursuit of equality/egalitarianism.

      No. Watch the videos. Leftism is in favour of dismantling existing hierarchichal power structures in favour of equality. A “social market economy” is still capitalist.

      Let’s not pretend conservative liberalism or neoliberalism is the only liberalism.

      They have vital things in common. And I (and OOP) oppose pretty much the complete intersection.

      Back to topic: Liberals in the US definetly opposed the abolition of ICE. Probably because of the whole “rule of law” bu&iness in liberalism and because they think that ICE protects the interests of capital.