• lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com
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    13 hours ago

    Liberalism is a right-wing ideology, homie.

    Liberalism

    The doctrine of liberalism considers personal freedom to be the most important goal.

    The pursuit of personal freedom is right-wing? I didn’t know that. I still don’t know that!

    Does the left-wing oppose personal freedom as a top priority?

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      11 hours ago

      I don’t know what source that is and I don’t want to open that link again.

      Liberalism also has the guarantee of private property as another “most important goal”, which is why the ideology is so in favour of capitalism.

      Also, liberals mostly focus on negative freedom, i.e. freedom from inhibitions, while e.g. leftists focus on freedom to do something.

      So, yeah. Focusing on the freedom to squeeze your tenants for rent, destroy the environment, exploit your fellow humans, etc. is right wing.

      If you really want to understand the “left-right” political framework, I can’t recommends the channel “what is politics” on youtube enough. This video should be a short intro to the topic, while this one goes into more detail.

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        5 hours ago

        no true scotsman

        No, you don’t get to decide which personal freedoms count & which don’t in what they stand for: they stand for personal freedoms.

        Liberalism is broad, and the linked site on party classifications shows it’s neither left nor right wing, though more specific subclassifications can be placed somewhere. Broadly

        it favours free markets, free trade, limited governments, low taxes and private property (economic liberalism) as well as equality for all citizens under the law, civil rights, secularism and freedom of speech and religion.

        You’re neglecting subclassification

        Social liberalism: Social liberal parties stress civil and human rights and favour a social market economy.

        which is leftist. Leftism is the pursuit of equality/egalitarianism.

        Let’s not pretend conservative liberalism or neoliberalism is the only liberalism.

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          No, you don’t get to decide which personal freedoms count & which don’t in what they stand for: they stand for personal freedoms.

          I don’t decide. I analyse. Liberals focus on negative freedoms. That is political reality.

          Liberalism is broad, and the linked site on party classifications shows it’s neither left nor right wing, though more specific subclassifications can be placed somewhere. Broadly

          OP meant liberal parties in the political context of the so-called “USA”. In that context, liberalism is right wing.

          You’re neglecting subclassification

          How. Your quote conicides with my argument. Liberalism is in favour of capitalism.

          which is leftist. Leftism is the pursuit of equality/egalitarianism.

          No. Watch the videos. Leftism is in favour of dismantling existing hierarchichal power structures in favour of equality. A “social market economy” is still capitalist.

          Let’s not pretend conservative liberalism or neoliberalism is the only liberalism.

          They have vital things in common. And I (and OOP) oppose pretty much the complete intersection.

          Back to topic: Liberals in the US definetly opposed the abolition of ICE. Probably because of the whole “rule of law” bu&iness in liberalism and because they think that ICE protects the interests of capital.