cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/30934764

The “privacy-first” company surprised its user base when CEO Andy Yen lauded Trump on social media.

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    The fact that a privacy company based in a non five eyes country is even praising a government - especially one like the US - is a red flag.

    Nevermind the fact that they claim Republicans are anti big tech while being surrounded by tech CEOs…

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    Cancelled my Proton subscription citing this as the reason. Hope others do the same. This administration is not normal and relations should never be normalized with them.

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      Yep, did the same. Started using Tuta for email, solid privacy and UI, app available on F-Droid, and the bonus for me was them being powered by renewables.

      The language in the tweet was telling, i.e party of the “little guys” and tagging the president for visibility. You can’t turn a blind eye to all the other destabilizing things this admin is doing just because they made 1 semi-competent cabinet pick (which should be the baseline expectation).

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      Planning to do the same, but first I have to find an alternative for my mail, probably I will try a self hosted mail server for a while

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        @m105 @Fizz there’s quite a few Swiss mail providers that may be of interest. Self-hosting mail can be a pain as those IPs tend to have a lower threshold for getting blocked/blacklisted. And make sure all your SPF, DKIM etc is fully configured.

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    “We’re not liberal or conservative, we’re a secret third thing!(conservative)”

    • They’re swiss.

      We have more parties in our equivalent of the presidential office than you have parties in total.

      I have huge problems with this notion that you have to be either democrat or conservative. They don’t even cover 50% of the opinions I, a green-liberal (actual liberal, not US-definition), hold.

      You’re absolutely able and allowed to have your own opinion different from what any party official says.

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        When commenting on US politics, they should be aware of US political realities though. When taking position relative to US politics, they should be aware of that. At the very least, they should comment that they’re progressive or something along the lines of “Our political orientation isn’t represented in US politics” to acknowledge that, like you did.

        But when your CEO endorses Republicans, pretending you’re neutral isn’t a good look.

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          Don’t forget, Swiss Neutrality is the special kind of neutrality that lets them store gold bullion made from Jewish tooth fillings.

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        They were commenting on American politics though. Swiss parties are irrelevant. Supporting Trump is a crazy position no matter what your nationality is or what parties exist in that country.

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        Yes but swiss people can still be absolutely piece of shit human beings. They proved that in WWII by helping fund the Nazis directly. Swiss people also aren’t immune from rampant US party propaganda. You aren’t magical, psychologically different humans than the rest of the world.

        Publicly supporting an openly fascist dictator, whatever “political party” they are on, someone who directly opposes the stated mission and values of the company, means that they are piece of shit humans who cannot be trusted with our data because they will just lie with what they do with it just like how they lied to us about their company values.

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        Saying someone is swiss isnt the defense you want it to be considering that the swiss helped harbor nazi wealth.

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        I have a huge problem with parties period. Parties inhibit critical thinking. And I’m an American. And I don’t want this. Eat the rich!

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    “Until corporate Dems are thrown out, the reality is that Republicans remain more likely to tackle Big Tech abuses.”

    I don’t believe that they haven’t heard of Lina Khan.

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      Yes, big fan of Lina Khan, I worked with her in 2020 on the House report on antitrust (the House was controlled by Democrats back then). I’ve discussed this elsewhere, but certain events in 2022 made it very clear that further progress on antitrust was unlikely under Democratic leadership. You can read more about the backstory here: https://time.com/6243256/schumer-kills-antitrust-big-tech-bills/

      his reddit account is pretry active if you want to read bad takes

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      They did, they even worked together in the past.

      See https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1i2nz9v/on_politics_and_proton_a_message_from_andy/m7psmzx/

      Quote for those who don’t want to reddit.

      Yes, big fan of Lina Khan, I worked with her in 2020 on the House report on antitrust (the House was controlled by Democrats back then). I’ve discussed this elsewhere, but certain events in 2022 made it very clear that further progress on antitrust was unlikely under Democratic leadership. You can read more about the backstory here: https://time.com/6243256/schumer-kills-antitrust-big-tech-bills/

      Edit: I see someone else already posted it. I will leave it here even if it’s a duplicate for future self-shame.

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      Problem is, she was lobbying Sony so hard that her corruption was clearly seen by everyone, she fought tooth and nail so Microsoft wouldn’t buy call of duty, and was saying that microsoft gaming department will become a monopoly, and… You see a monopoly out there? Microsoft gaming department is a giant flop even with call of duty, of what monopoly she was telling then?

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        Microsoft gaming department is a giant flop even with call of duty, of what monopoly she was telling then?

        Cloud gaming? Duopoly and oligopoly (see healthcare) being also anticompetitive? Look, of course Sony also opposed to merger because it was a competitor. Every antitrust lawsuit is bound to attract some of them. I dunno what you’re going off on here.

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          Geforce now exist tho, and my point is, Microsoft is a huge slop, they were half dead even then, lisa khan and sony destroyed competition in name of antimonopoly when sony was already dominating even before that and now we have 800$ ps5 pro and everything, my beef is, if she was a antimonopoly representative, then she should prevent monopoly from happening, and sony IS a monopoly in AAA console space thanks to her, i mean, even duopoly is better than complete dominance of one of the players on market, look up amd nvidia duopoly and how it became when nvidia became monopoly, 5090 for 3000$ oh holy fuck, give us at least SOME competition, I don’t even dare to ask about PROPER competition because market came to monopolies already

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            Sorry, I meant online services integrating with gaming in general.

            destroyed competition in name of antimonopoly when sony was already dominating even before that

            hell naw. look at xbox live. i think you have a very skewed view of MS’s market position. think about the logistics required to pull MS Flight Simulator (2020) off.

            800$ ps5

            it’s $700, and relatively nobody is buying that thing. plus how is buying activision blizzard gonna help console competition?

            sony IS a monopoly in AAA console space

            compare the sales or just ask the gaming sub

            give us at least SOME competition, I don’t even dare to ask about PROPER competition because market came to monopolies already

            does radeon not exist? you don’t happen to train AI models do you?

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              I agree with most of your points except, i didn’t even heard of training ai without cuda, i know it’s possible, but it’s far from popular as i see, second, Microsoft is a dead horse and it’s understandable, but it could do some competition, not proper one but some, most of the community including ftc wished Microsoft gaming department too step down, and i would be all in if alternative in AAA gaming was opensource as Linux, but alternative is corporate monopoly, same with AMD GPUs this time, they flopped hard due to 5070, and my main point still stands, i don’t want a complete monopoly even if competition is on life support it should still exist

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                my point was you were making unsubstantiated assertions on markets that are just wrong. you addressed none of that

                Microsoft is a dead horse

                prove it

                same with AMD GPUs this time

                prove it

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    This is what a kleptocratic oligarchy looks like folks. Suck up to the big man and he’ll let you fleece the joint.

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    This is not an ad
    Enter email to receive emails

    I disagree, Mr Website.

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    I’m in a pickle. Got proton and my own domain for email so I would be able to make an easy switch… but now I have masked emails for dozens if not hundreds of account logins.

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    I’ve been looking in to degoogling and was considering Protonmail before this. Does anybody know of a good alternative? Espeically one that lets you have multiple email addresses?

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      I bit the bullet this month & bought a domain so I can assign mail handling and change providers without changing my email address. Currently using https://purelymail.com/ because they’re $10/year for as many addresses & domains as you want “within reason.” It’s apparently just one guy with some AWS instances, but it was very straightforward to set up.

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        I was dumb enough to walk away from that approach about 10 years ago. Ugh. But you’ve convinced me. The annual cost of a domain is lunch money for a week. The freedom it provides in this scenario is well worth it.

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          There’s a lot of domains you can get for the price of a single coffee, if you don’t insist on it being cute, readable, or one of the legacy TLDs. Between purelymail and a .top domain, it’s $15/year.

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        +1 for purelymail.

        I’ve had my personal domain on gmail and most recently proton. Proton got too pricy when I wanted to add another couple of domains. After some research I landed on purelymail, and it’s been smooth sailing to set up and use.

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        The same applies to what I commented about Mxroute - Purelymail doesn’t cater to users who require end-to-end encryption, advanced privacy features, or those who need built-in security measures beyond standard email protocols, as it’s primarily focused on reliable email delivery and hosting rather than security-first communication.

        Tuta would be a viable alternative to Proton.

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          Yeah, I considered E2EE. Even set up PGP keys in Thunderbird and installed https///mailvelope.com . For E2EE to really be viable, your correspondents have to comply, and none of the people I email with have any interest. I even email with someone on proton, and they always reply to me in the clear.

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            I mean, as far as I’m concerned, if not for all the websites that ask for email to register, I wouldn’t be using it. No personal comms go via email.

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        What do you mean by “I bought a domain”? Is the domain has been rented or there is someone who sells domain for life and heritage?

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      If you only care about email (and calendar, I guess) Tuta is a pretty good choice. I’ve been using it for years and had only one problem very early on. Additional aliases are only available with the paid plan (€3 a month) however, same as Proton I believe.

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        Yup.

        Tuta works well for me for the past year or so, so I recently switched to their annual plan. I used Proton for a couple years (paid plan) and preferred it, but they raised the price so I bailed. The €3 plan from Tuta is more than enough for me.

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          I’m still on a legacy plan (which still feels like a really good deal despite some small concessions compared to the new plans) but yeah, even with the new prices it’s definitely worth it.

          Also, while not strictly email focused but they have a blog with articles about various privacy related topics and news - it’s a pretty neat source of info, especially for those less knowledgeable about this stuff.

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      I have pretty good experience with Tutanota an bitwarden as the most direct alternatives

      Tutanota apps lack a bit of polish but the UI looks reasonably nice and gets the job done. Bitwarden has treated me pretty well.

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      I have tuta, bitwarden, firefox relay, and libreoffice, seems to work decently. I am also considering getting a mullvald vpn, but not sure how well it works with torrenting, since they no longer support port-forward.

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        Using Mullvad, I stay connected to it 24/7. I’ve no problems with torrenting. It costs 5€/month. Maybe try it out to see if it’ll suit you as well.

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            I have my qbittorrent container set up the same way, no issues. Only minor inconvenience I have now is having to manually renew my subscription every month because they stopped storing payment information (good!).

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        Does bitwarden have a browser extension for firefox?

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            Yeah true, but then other people who are thinking about making the switch would also have to ask that question or Google. Plus sometimes the browser extensions are exist but are shit. The human recommendation holds more weight.

            I’m coping hard with that response

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      After digging around, I’m going to try Tuta for email/calendar and Mullvad for VPN. Tuta’s €3 plan lets you have 15 additional addresses and 3 custom domains.

      Anyone using a good proton drive alternative?

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        Anyone using a good proton drive alternative?

        I run Synology NAS at home and I love it, but it was expensive to set up.

        Other extreme is Syncthing for completely free device sync, but no backup beyond your devices and both devices must be online to sync.

        I self-hosted Nextcloud on cloudamo with Cryptomator for e2ee but I can’t really recommend it. Nextcloud is pain to administer and tends to be buggy.

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      It’s not the most practical thing in the universe, but I have a small VPS that I host my email on for myself and a couple others (5 addresses in total). It’s a bit of a pain to set up, but once it’s working, it is really nice to have that kind of control.

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        There are dozens of us!

        I think email gets a bad rap for difficulty of hosting. So long as you get your DMARC, DKIM, RDNS, SPF, etc right, it’s reasonably forgiving. Need to take server down for maintenance? No worries- any mail that couldn’t be delivered will be resent in a few minutes/hours/days.

        Harder than hosting a simple website? Yes. Rocket surgery? No.

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        Been using it a few years and I’m happy. Best upgrade coming from google is that the calendar actually works with thunderbird.

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      im using a nextcloud host called murena. you could probably use an equally good one or self host, but i found the free next cloud host sign up tool too buggy to use.

      main draw of next cloud for me is you can use features like third party clients and calendar sharing without having to manually prepare for account downgrade if you want a lower tier, and in fact the only difference between tiers is storage

      note that im not clear how good their encryption is, it seems not to be fully end to end encrypted

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        You can get a refund within 30 of an auto-renewal. That’s what I did too.

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            You have to contact them about the refund, it’s not automatic.

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        You can still cancel your subscription so that it won’t auto-renew in 2 years and it let’s you leave a comment when doing so if you want to voice any concerns.

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          Yeah, I’m just salty about the timing. I’ve already started the process, but if I had a crystal ball I would have downgraded to a year max, or maybe monthly.

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