London’s murder rate has dropped to its lowest in more than a decade with police in the capital and the mayor saying it is now one of the safest cities in the western world.

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  • acargitz@lemmy.ca
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    2 hours ago

    Sure but the Right feeeeels like it hasn’t and the vibes of the Right are always more important than reality, so take that leftoids.

    • MoonMelon@lemmy.ml
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      I don’t live in the UK but I got pulled into the UK camper van / canal boat / bushcraft segment of youtube. The recommended videos are often something like “London has FALLEN” on a video featuring a normal street with people walking around, but I guess not enough of them are white. It’s a whole subgenre, each channel full of people with St. George’s Cross profile pics agreeing wildly in the comments that its all gone to shit now.

      It really is a tragic parallel to what you see on algorithmic “media” in the USA. Every comment section is a gutter where terminally online people circlejerk with fear and hatred as lube.

      Anyway I’m thinking of starting a peertube channel where I upload art videos.

  • unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de
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    4 hours ago

    And still the fascists will claim that the country is on fire and needs to be cleansed of all immigrants. Crime rates have been dropping all over Europe for decades despite increased immigration, but still right wing parties are rising everywhere.

      • CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.deOP
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        2 hours ago

        You are demonstrating how the far right fearmongers so well. Picking one single statistic and spread it without necessary context and overblowing its relevance. That’s Blöd-Zeitung’s level.

        • plyth@feddit.org
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          Highlights, from the EU, so not just Germany:

          The number of intentional homicides in the EU increased by 1.5% in 2023, compared with 2022.

          Police-recorded crimes against property in the EU increased in 2023: thefts rose by 4.8%, robberies by 2.7% and burglaries by 4.2% compared with the previous year.

          https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Crime_statistics

          The overall trend was declining so far but it could be that we have reached the bottom. I haven’t said that the trend is wrong. I actually stressed that it is one counter example.

          As you write, that doesn’t mean that the trend is wrong but we also can’t assume that everything is still alright without making sure that it is.

          • CyberEgg@discuss.tchncs.deOP
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            36 minutes ago

            Again, there is missing a lot. A breakdown for countries, some context for victims (femicides in family context are mentioned, but not a lot more), motivation for property related crimes etc.
            The problem is, conveying this kind of context is a complex task while it is very easy to oversimplify and overexaggerate cherrypicked statistics that fit a certain narrative, and right wing populists are exceptionally good at riling up the populace with the latter.

            • plyth@feddit.org
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              I agree with the worries, but by the same logic the number from the headline should also be treated as an outlier.

              Crime rates have been dropping all over Europe for decades despite increased immigration, but still right wing parties are rising everywhere.

              This is a setup for failure. If the numbers are not dropping anymore and the left wing is not ready to acknowledge it then they can’t understand why right wing parties are rising. It’s not all just fearmongering that convinces people to vote for the right wing.

      • Denjin@feddit.uk
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        3 hours ago

        There will always be outliers on these trends. One high year in the middle of a 20 year decline doesn’t break the trend.

  • doleo@lemmy.one
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    4 hours ago

    That directly contradicts the message being broadcast, I wonder if the data will gain as much traction as the meme.