Yes, you can make any problem seem childishly simple with the trolley problem.
This is actually a whole series of trolley intersections arranged one after another. And every time you pull the lever to run over people, extra people get added to the intersections down the line. You skip killing five people now, but the next intersection has branches with 5 and 10 people on it.
You need to consider both short term and long term in your voting. It’s very easy to get myopically focused on just one election. To think that this election is all that matters, the fate of the whole world to be decided in one moment.
This idea is a fantasy and not how the real world works. Parties move slowly over many elections. Change and legislation happens over many elections. Even Trump’s power grabs are just a continuation of the ruthless expansion of executive power that has happened with both parties in charge.
If you hold your nose and vote for the Democrat every time, no matter how evil, you have now removed yourself entirely from the political process. If you’re not afraid to actually withhold your vote, the Democrat will inevitably respond by moving to the right. Think about what actual incentives Democrats have. And think about how your actions affect those incentives.
We are in the situation we are now in part because Democrats have been blindly “voting blue no matter who” for election after election. As left voters will blindly vote for the Democrat no matter what they do, Democratic candidates suffer no political consequences from moving to the right.
Don’t ignore the consequences of your actions. If you’re not willing to punish leaders at the ballot box, you are giving them absolutely zero incentive to actually try and address what you care about. They’ll happily take your guaranteed locked-in vote. They’ll happily take your donations. And then they’ll laugh to themselves, “can you believe this moron?” as they ignore everything you care about and pander to Republicans. After all, why shouldn’t they? You’ve castrated yourself politically. Your thoughts and beliefs don’t matter, as you’ve made yourself irrelevant.
Have you heard of a primary? Cause it basically invalidates everything you just said.
Also, the more the left refuses to vote Democrat, the more Democrats pander to the right. They’re trying to win the “moderate/centrist” vote because apparently they won’t get the leftist vote no matter what they do. They’ll never pass the purity test.
People with your logic are the ones shooting themselves in the foot at every election. Your logic got trump elected, and no amount of armchair philosophizing will be enough to squirm around that fact.
I have family in places where we had the pleasure of dealing with both Bushs, Obama, Trump and Biden, and frankly, they are all the same to me. I’ve never been to America but America came to us. Don’t use victims of American imperialism as a token to make a point.
It didn’t help me or my family & friends at all that it wasn’t Trump doing it before and I am horrified of what happened in Venezuela, but every American president at least since I’m alive is a war criminal but actually probably almost every American president ever has been a war criminal.
Yes, you can make any problem seem childishly simple with the trolley problem.
This is actually a whole series of trolley intersections arranged one after another. And every time you pull the lever to run over people, extra people get added to the intersections down the line. You skip killing five people now, but the next intersection has branches with 5 and 10 people on it.
You need to consider both short term and long term in your voting. It’s very easy to get myopically focused on just one election. To think that this election is all that matters, the fate of the whole world to be decided in one moment.
This idea is a fantasy and not how the real world works. Parties move slowly over many elections. Change and legislation happens over many elections. Even Trump’s power grabs are just a continuation of the ruthless expansion of executive power that has happened with both parties in charge.
If you hold your nose and vote for the Democrat every time, no matter how evil, you have now removed yourself entirely from the political process. If you’re not afraid to actually withhold your vote, the Democrat will inevitably respond by moving to the right. Think about what actual incentives Democrats have. And think about how your actions affect those incentives.
We are in the situation we are now in part because Democrats have been blindly “voting blue no matter who” for election after election. As left voters will blindly vote for the Democrat no matter what they do, Democratic candidates suffer no political consequences from moving to the right.
Don’t ignore the consequences of your actions. If you’re not willing to punish leaders at the ballot box, you are giving them absolutely zero incentive to actually try and address what you care about. They’ll happily take your guaranteed locked-in vote. They’ll happily take your donations. And then they’ll laugh to themselves, “can you believe this moron?” as they ignore everything you care about and pander to Republicans. After all, why shouldn’t they? You’ve castrated yourself politically. Your thoughts and beliefs don’t matter, as you’ve made yourself irrelevant.
Have you heard of a primary? Cause it basically invalidates everything you just said.
Also, the more the left refuses to vote Democrat, the more Democrats pander to the right. They’re trying to win the “moderate/centrist” vote because apparently they won’t get the leftist vote no matter what they do. They’ll never pass the purity test.
People with your logic are the ones shooting themselves in the foot at every election. Your logic got trump elected, and no amount of armchair philosophizing will be enough to squirm around that fact.
My solution: Blow up the trolley, because if you are a problem, fuck you.
Hopefully the 80 freshly killed Venezuelans would be convinced by this reasoning.
I have family in places where we had the pleasure of dealing with both Bushs, Obama, Trump and Biden, and frankly, they are all the same to me. I’ve never been to America but America came to us. Don’t use victims of American imperialism as a token to make a point.
It didn’t help me or my family & friends at all that it wasn’t Trump doing it before and I am horrified of what happened in Venezuela, but every American president at least since I’m alive is a war criminal but actually probably almost every American president ever has been a war criminal.