Very different situation for America. France and Germany had to contend with neighboring armies. At the moment, Europe isn’t going to cross the Pond and start shit if we take Greenland. Europe is barely standing up to the Russian monster in their backyard, they’re hardly going to defend our backyard.
All this talk is to soften the blow when we do the deed. Global warming makes Greenland prime real estate. As it warms, prospecting and mining become easier, and it will soon guard year-round Artic sea lanes. With enough warming it may become attractive for farming and living space.
The US is taking Greenland as soon as they feel the situation in Venezuela is under control. Said situation will never truly be under control, but they seem to have ignored their history lessons.
Ukraine is not part of the EU or NATO, Greenland is. If Greenland gets invaded all of NATO members would be on war against the invader, leaving Russia to take any other countries they want to. And while America is stronger than any single member, it would have trouble fighting all of them, especially because if that war erupts lots of people in the US will be against it, so you would have to fight your own population.
That being said, I don’t think US will invade Greenland, I think all of that is grandstanding and trying to move the attention away from Venezuela, Palestine and Ukraine.
Said earlier that the US would watch NATO mass forces in real time. Surprise attacks by nation states are long past. What does the US do in that case?
That’s the scary part. If the rest of NATO responds, America will see it coming and justify a first strike. (Not nuclear though.)
You have a point on fighting our own population. But there was strong anti-war sentiment before Pearl Harbor. If NATO comes together, well, just imagine the propaganda machine the administration will deploy. Everyone has already seen how susceptible we are to bullshit.
And no, I do not share your optimism. Said in other comments, the lesson of Hitler failing to storm the Caucuses oil fields before opening the Western front was the beginning of his end. As soon as they think the situation in Venezuela is under control, for these monster’s value of “under control”, the US will waltz into Greenland utterly unopposed, with enough oil to take all comers.
This isn’t some new distraction they dreamed up. Global warming is turning Greenland into prime real estate for mining, guarding newly opening Artic shipping lanes and with enough heat, lebensraum. Taking Greenland is a no-brainer from a purely strategic POV.
Also, the fascists need to move fast while NATO/Europe is still dependent on American weapons, trade and tech. If they fuck around for even a few years, the EU will have become far more independent. (Go faster Europe!)
Gods. Just realized that if shit truly goes down, the US will build an Iron Curtain across the Atlantic. We can pull tech, shut down shipping, utterly disrupt the continent. Imagine how Putin is gloating.
It’s very unlikely that other NATO members would take military action against a US campaign on Greenland. They would almost certainly sit there and watch and then try to approach the conflict diplomatically. Many of these countries have US military bases on their own soil.
A lot of people would be convinced to be against it by the same people who supported Trump: his billionaire friends. Do you really think that if this joke of a president start a war against EU (and, as sidenote, against NATO) services from Meta, MS and all the other American tech companies would continue as is ? Who do you think will be hit in the pocket ?
I don’t see that happening. They’re willing to sacrifice their direct business interests to usher in a neo-feudalist society. Look at Musk espousing the Trump government when the latter is openly anti-environmentalist while Musk sells EVs.
They are an oversea territory of Denmark, whose citizens are all danish and members of the EU. While technically not part of the EU it’s all but a technicality, by those same standards Alaska should not be a part of the USA. Even in the worst possible interpretation of this it’s like a country invading Puerto Rico.
Very different situation for America. France and Germany had to contend with neighboring armies. At the moment, Europe isn’t going to cross the Pond and start shit if we take Greenland. Europe is barely standing up to the Russian monster in their backyard, they’re hardly going to defend our backyard.
All this talk is to soften the blow when we do the deed. Global warming makes Greenland prime real estate. As it warms, prospecting and mining become easier, and it will soon guard year-round Artic sea lanes. With enough warming it may become attractive for farming and living space.
The US is taking Greenland as soon as they feel the situation in Venezuela is under control. Said situation will never truly be under control, but they seem to have ignored their history lessons.
Ukraine is not part of the EU or NATO, Greenland is. If Greenland gets invaded all of NATO members would be on war against the invader, leaving Russia to take any other countries they want to. And while America is stronger than any single member, it would have trouble fighting all of them, especially because if that war erupts lots of people in the US will be against it, so you would have to fight your own population.
That being said, I don’t think US will invade Greenland, I think all of that is grandstanding and trying to move the attention away from Venezuela, Palestine and Ukraine.
Said earlier that the US would watch NATO mass forces in real time. Surprise attacks by nation states are long past. What does the US do in that case?
That’s the scary part. If the rest of NATO responds, America will see it coming and justify a first strike. (Not nuclear though.)
You have a point on fighting our own population. But there was strong anti-war sentiment before Pearl Harbor. If NATO comes together, well, just imagine the propaganda machine the administration will deploy. Everyone has already seen how susceptible we are to bullshit.
And no, I do not share your optimism. Said in other comments, the lesson of Hitler failing to storm the Caucuses oil fields before opening the Western front was the beginning of his end. As soon as they think the situation in Venezuela is under control, for these monster’s value of “under control”, the US will waltz into Greenland utterly unopposed, with enough oil to take all comers.
This isn’t some new distraction they dreamed up. Global warming is turning Greenland into prime real estate for mining, guarding newly opening Artic shipping lanes and with enough heat, lebensraum. Taking Greenland is a no-brainer from a purely strategic POV.
Also, the fascists need to move fast while NATO/Europe is still dependent on American weapons, trade and tech. If they fuck around for even a few years, the EU will have become far more independent. (Go faster Europe!)
Gods. Just realized that if shit truly goes down, the US will build an Iron Curtain across the Atlantic. We can pull tech, shut down shipping, utterly disrupt the continent. Imagine how Putin is gloating.
My goodness, you are so right!
The problem is this iron curtain will keep expanding and keep invading.
After Greenland, the next one on the menu probably will be the Azores, where America has a military base.
This is imperialism at its peak and Putin is so overjoyed with all this mess.
It’s very unlikely that other NATO members would take military action against a US campaign on Greenland. They would almost certainly sit there and watch and then try to approach the conflict diplomatically. Many of these countries have US military bases on their own soil.
Wishful thinking
A lot of people would be convinced to be against it by the same people who supported Trump: his billionaire friends. Do you really think that if this joke of a president start a war against EU (and, as sidenote, against NATO) services from Meta, MS and all the other American tech companies would continue as is ? Who do you think will be hit in the pocket ?
I don’t see that happening. They’re willing to sacrifice their direct business interests to usher in a neo-feudalist society. Look at Musk espousing the Trump government when the latter is openly anti-environmentalist while Musk sells EVs.
Yes, they are willing to do it but probably only up to a point, I don’t see them to accept so easily to lose their biggest market basically overnight.
And once lost, I don’t really think they can get back
Greenland isn’t in the EU.
They are an oversea territory of Denmark, whose citizens are all danish and members of the EU. While technically not part of the EU it’s all but a technicality, by those same standards Alaska should not be a part of the USA. Even in the worst possible interpretation of this it’s like a country invading Puerto Rico.
No, Greenland isn’t part of the EU because of a “technicality”, they voted to leave decades ago.
And whilst not technically being a member of the EU they will gladly take their funding, thank you very much!