• Ooops@feddit.org
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    6 days ago

    Well, then Poland should quickly order more US tanks, just like Denmark recently ordered more F-35 to show what they think of the US threats…

    I still don’t know if it’s funny or sad how always those loudly talking are then competing on who can kiss the US’ ass better.

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      They also ordered 500 Korean tanks. Diversification is a thing, you know.

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        That’s not so much done for diversification but geography and economics.

        Poland has regions where -just like in Ukraine- the average Western tank is at times to heavy to operate properly. The K2 is more than 10 tons lighter and Poland scrapped several original requirements to keep it that light because that’s the whole point. Also the K2PL variant additionally comes with (partly) modular composite armor.

        And Poland wants domestic production (and the neccessary tech transfer to facilitate it). Something that South Korea is allowing for better footing in the wider European market.

        That doesn’t make the decision for US Abrams as the main tank better.

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          You say it is not diversification and the describe another kind of diversification.

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            I said that diversification isn’t the goal. They have geographic and economic reasons. Actual diversification in military equipment for the sake of it is stupid because the most important thing in war (and the actual much bigger cost) is logistics.

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      6 days ago

      I still don’t know if it’s funny or sad how

      It’s neither, it’s infuriating, especially when you were against F-35 from the beginning.

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      Didn’t it also became public the US could remotely “turn off” these F-35?

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        As far as I understand it, this is a (social) media exaggeration. But a lot of the F-35’s capabilities, in particular the stealth and networking that are the main selling point, depend on constant adaptions and updates of the electronic systems.

        Sure, we can talk about conspiracy theories of a possible killswitch backdoor hidden in the code. But that wouldn’t even be F-35 specific. The more interesting aspect is logistics/spares and software updates for that very high-maintenance jet with modern electronics.

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      6 days ago

      And f35s and apaches/blackhawks/chinooks (they can’t decide the way in which we’ll be fucked) and patriots and drones. And this is only the things i remember rn. They also want to get 250 strykers for free casue why not, we already have 4 types of MBTs so second wheeled APC wont make a differnce! Oh, and palantir!

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        AFAIK most US military equipment is either having kill switch or vendor locked to US intelligence

        • ℍ𝕂-𝟞𝟝@sopuli.xyz
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          The thing is though, US vendor locking is the same as Europe’s, it’s the Western common NATO standard.

          The US is using German rifles, the F-35 is made with European parts. I don’t think the US is economically able to directly antagonize the EU.

          It doesn’t rule out shenanigans with soft power, but Trump is actively shedding that.