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    Where did you get that argument from?

    I don’t know. I thought that it is common knowledge among those who read about economics.

    If you want something easier to find, look for the Chinese trade surplus and that they hold back Dollars to keep the Yuan low to facilitate exports.

    And they then comply with that? Are you actually serious?

    What else would politicians do but those negotiations about power and influence? There is an article about the woman who selected the Shah for Iran. Why should European countries be treated differently if there is leverage?

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      thought that it is common knowledge among those who read about economics.

      It’s not. Sounds more like an argument straight out of some unhinged Telegram group, no offense.

      What else would politicians do

      You mean what else would politicians do than letting themselves being dictated by the US which one is allowed to run their country? I’d say: an awful lot of things.

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        It’s not.

        Have you heard about China devaluing the Yuan?

        being dictated

        Directly, no.

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          Have you heard about China devaluing the Yuan?

          Focus please. You said, concerning your 5d chess move of America having a trade surplus with Germany which somehow allows them to put money into the military, that you thought it was common knowledge among those who read about economics. To which I answered that it is not.

          Directly, no.

          Even to claim ‘indirectly dictated’ smells like dodgy Telegram again.

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            To which I answered that it is not.

            Which I think means that you don’t believe that it is true. So to understand what happened, it would help if you understand what is happening with China, because it is fundamentally the same.

            Even to claim ‘indirectly dictated’ smells like dodgy Telegram again.

            How does the $40 billion credit to Argentina smell to you?

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              So to understand what happened, it would help if you understand what is happening with China, because it is fundamentally the same.

              Except China has a huge trade surplus and the US have a deficit. Sorry, but the question remains: where do you have that theory from?

              How does the $40 billion credit to Argentina smell to you?

              Like trying to secure the power of a politician Trump likes. To deduce from this that in Europe (our topic here, you remember?), your quote, “the US control the governing parties and they can monitor any change in the mood of the population” is… interesting.

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                Except China has a huge trade surplus

                Like Germany. Aren’t we talking about how Germany supported the US enarmment?

                can monitor any change in the mood of the population”

                That’s when chats are not encrypted anymore. Not my argument for now. Focus, please.

                Like trying to secure the power of a politician Trump likes.

                That must happen all the time.

                So if you want the EU to be independent you have to find a way to compensate that influence.

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                  Aren’t we talking about how Germany supported the US enarmment?

                  You were talking about China devaluing the Yuan. How’s that related with US rearmament?

                  Focus, please.

                  Lol. Your quote: “the US control the governing parties and they can monitor any change in the mood of the population”

                  I can see why you want to concentrate on the ‘mood of the population’ part, when clearly the biggest problem is ‘the US control the governing parties’. So let’s concentrate on that, because it is a wild claim.

                  So if you want the EU to be independent you have to find a way to compensate that influence.

                  So?

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                    You were talking about China devaluing the Yuan. How’s that related with US rearmament?

                    You forgot, but remember the other quote? Germany also stored Dollar securities.

                    If the US control the governing parties and they can monitor any change in the mood of the population, do you think there will ever be a successful movement for European independence?

                    Ok, I see where you are coming from. The if is also meant for the monitoring. Right now we don’t have that surveillance.

                    the biggest problem is ‘the US control the governing parties’.

                    You have seen the credit. Do you think that influencing elections was a new thing?

                    So?

                    The pressure won’t result in change.