Your posts keep getting downvoted and I wonder where do they all come from? I wouldn’t expect Lemmy.ml to be high on the CIA’s manipulation list.
Most westerners, even people who otherwise have good positions vis a vis Palestine and other foreign policy issues, have a very David vs Goliath view of politics where they reflexively support the small side against the big side. Russia is a big country invading Ukraine, a smaller country. Russia is more powerful than Ukraine. Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth (even when the meek in question are a US backed far right country that venerates its nazi heroes like Bandera). This is idealism, but it is widespread and organic. It’s only astroturfed in the way that support of capitalism is also astroturfed.
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It’s always neat to see how their propaganda reflects their fears and what they see in their daily life way more than what we see. Like the actual neo nazis part. If they were actually in the US they’d see all the far right neo nazis comfortably gobbling up the republican party position that - hey maybe russia isn’t so bad.
It’s only in Russia where they have massive amounts of neonazis directly opposed to the Russian government, who then decide to fight for ukraine. It’s massive amounts of RUSSIAN neonazis they are mad about. Because Russia has a massive neonazi problem.
They tell on themselves with their propaganda constantly.
Do you think the Republican Party supports Russia? Do you really think the right wing of American Empire supports their own enemies?
Yeah I was equally shocked by the revelation. Wait, didn’t they start the whole Mccarthism thing? But all the good ol boys out there think strongman putin is neat and based for bashing the gays or something. Every talking head on the right has repeated this for years. ‘We should try to be like putin.’ Tucker Carlson even went and interviewed him. Did you watch the part of that special where tucker goes to a Russian grocery and gawks at Aldi style shopping carts with the quarter locks? Tried to make them out to be the pinnacle of human invention. With the wrinkled brow, he was confounded that russia could possibly be this perfect. Dumbass has never been to an Aldi.
Tucker went over there because it wasn’t like putin was going to come over here right? Right? Oh wait, republican president, putin is in the US. He’d get arrested if he went to literally half of the world, but ya this normal.
What do you think MTG meant when she said “No funding shall be made available to Ukraine unless restrictions on ethnic minorities, including Hungarians in Transcarpathia, right to use their native languages in schools are lifted”?
Not a rhetorical question. Please decipher and understand each word in that statement. I guarantee she doesn’t. But you should try to understand the statement. That’s not something an American would even begin to have an opinion on, let alone leverage it against ukranian aide? Let alone from MTGs mouth? I mean come on who told her to say that be real with yourself right now lmao.
Then of course there’s the low level grifters like Tim pool and Laura loomer getting caught taking money for spewing russian talking points. Was kirk caught up in that? Maybe not, it just feels right.
There’s been a lot of Americans that defect to Russia. They’re all from the right. Either LARPers sent to the meat grinder or weirdos chasing the trad life just to be sorely disappointed. Anyone heard from Derek Huffman yet? He’ll probably end up like Russell Bentley
The targeted propaganda and disinformation has been massive and they’re out in the open about it. Republicans regularly share RT clones even though their main site got nuked. Margarita Simonyan will get on russian TV and straight up brag that they’re spinning up thousands of fake accounts to target Republicans and any republican I meet still scoffs at the very idea like it doesn’t happen.
If you’ve never experienced it, I dare you to install telegram and join some conservative channels on there. You think that’s not a pipeline? Don’t go no true scots-ing Republicans now, they’re all over that shithole. It’s freedom, baby.
Most certainly a giant heap of it across the board has also been some weird ass behavior of supporting russia to own the libs. Support for Ukraine had to become a partisan issue for them, because everything the left does is wrong. They’ve been buttered up by russian propaganda for years so saying russia good just felt right I guess.
Equally as shocking as ALL of this combined was the fact that the one republican that blew past it all and consistently wished nuclear rain against russia from the very start was Lindsey fucking Graham. What
First of all, you have no clue what you’re talking about if you think the “left” supports Ukraine. Bureaucratic neoliberal technocrats in the Democratic Party turning on the money printer for Zelensky are not the left. The left doesn’t exist in the US, at least not in a way that gives it agency about what foreign countries receive funding to do the US’ bidding. And if the PSL got in power just to give Nazis in Ukraines guns for them to do terrorism with for 20 years after this war ends and they think Europe betrayed them, the PSL would be doing a very silly thing (but it is in character for the Dems or Republicans to pursue this strategy, it’s just a repeat of operation Bloodstone, except this time they’re supporting the Nazis from day 1 instead of only after the war)
Secondly, you’re looking at statements by pundits and influencers to figure out what the strategy of your enemies is. That’s really not very smart. If you were analyzing the collapse of the American Empire 100 years from now looking back, would you look at what Tucker Carlson was saying about Putin to discern what the state was trying to accomplish with its foreign policy? No, that’s silly. You would look at what foreign policy papers from the Heritage Foundation, the Brookings Institute, the Strategic Studies Institute, and whatever other think tanks were putting out. You’d look at hearings with strategists from those think tanks, military command, and economists. And what they have to say right now is pretty clear: they want to squeeze Ukraine for all it’s worth against Russia. They have no love for Russia.
The posturing from right wing influencers that you’re talking about is essentially just culture war nonsense. They call the war in Ukraine a Democrat war as a culture war tactic, but that doesn’t actually reflect reality. I mean, FFS, John McCain was at Kyiv during Euromaidan shaking the hands of the nazi leader of the coup! To confuse the rhetoric of false promises to their base that they would stop funding Ukraine to put America first for anything other than a boldfaced lie, just like their lies about locking up Hillary or going after big tech, is a mistake that you make for thinking the spectacle is real.
Finally, that’s a funny MTG quote, it is pretty clearly something someone fed her and I agree that I don’t think she could keep the names of Hungary and Transcarparthia in her head for more than 15 minutes. Which actually makes it pretty easy to answer why she would say it: one of her nazi staffers was telling her to implement one of the line items from some report from the Heritage Foundation/some other RW think tank outlining concessions to extract from Ukraine in pursuit of a nebulous goal? I honestly don’t get what Russia would get out of it if Ukraine ethnically cleansed Hungarians and Transcarparthians, so I don’t know if you actually meant that Russia was getting her to say that.
Top: hmm perhaps decades of empowering nazis has led to nazis being in power in Ukraine
Bottom: your entire comment about how everyone pointing out the above is a secret Russian
What socialists are saying is that Russia and the US are actually what they say the are: in opposition to each other. Liberals are the weird conspiracy theorists who believe that the Republican party is full of secret Russian traitors. At best, one may say that the GOP is more hostile to Europe than the liberals, which inevitably leads to Russia being in a stronger position with Europe left to fend for themselves (which the GOP is only comfortable with insofar as they can get Russia to split from China), while the liberal strategy has been to isolate Russia and drive them closer to China but hope that Europe is a strong enough ally to beat both.
Russia is fucking evil man get out of here. That country is a messed up fascist dictatorship. Stop being part of the problem
Hollywood isn’t real life.
Why are you convinced that your moral enemies are also your political enemies?
And why is it fascist?
Russia being messed up doesn’t contradict the meme at all. People in the imperial core can be happy, every time comrades in Russia (or Ukraine) have a success against their government and their oligarchy. But the best thing every anti-imperialist can do, is fight the imperialists they can actually fight: the ones in their own country. If you’re in a NATO country, that means your priority should be to fight NATO and the US oligarchs who benefit from it’s constant wars all over the world. If workers on both sides just continue to fall for the propaganda, they’ll never stop killing each other.
I’m not just randomly claiming, that this strategy is what works best. Have you heard of Lenins revolutionary defeatism? It’s the method, that made the revolution possible.
Have you heard of Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht? They were both killed for their anti-war stance and their commitment against national-chauvinism. Liebknechts famous line was: “the main enemy stands at home”, by which he meant the national oligarchs and imperialists profiting from the war.
So many reasons this is funny
-You apparently believe in evil, like a child
-You don’t know what fascism is
-Theres no way you can define the word dictatorship
-You seem to think that someone on the internet who doesn’t believe that Enemy Country is literally Mordor is part of “the problem” (what problem? The problem of other countries existing in a way that displeases you?)
Overall I give it a 2/10, deeply stupid and infantile, try throwing in a Star Wars reference next.
Bro they have literally had the same man in power for the last 25 years. The elections are far too one sided to be legitimate. They enforce heavy military propoganda. They have wealthy oligarchs while they working class is barely scraping by. And they have been trying to forcefully take land from other countries for years at the expense of citizens of both sides. Please explain how everything I said isn’t true, or would you rather just hurl empty insults again instead and make yourself look even more ridiculous
You realize these things are true in Ukraine, in some cases more than even in Russia? And Ukraine was doing ethnic cleansing in the civil war for 8 years before Russia invaded, too, so if you want to apply this childish “I support the enemies of countries that do evil things” view instead of materialism, you could just as easily land on the conclusion that supporting Russia against fascist (vibes based definition) Ukraine is correct.
If you did a materialist analysis and try to figure out what the forces at play are, which classes stand to gain from different outcomes, and why the ruling class interest of Western imperialist states are aligned the way they are, you’d probably arrive at a much better conclusion though.
Bro they have literally had the same man in power for the last 25 years.
Wrong, they have a federal government system that you naively think is “one guy runs everything” like a marvel movie: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Government_of_Russia
The elections are far too one sided to be legitimate
According to some random on the internet? Then what does that say about, for example, Ukraine, where opposition parties have been openly banned and elections have been canceled altogether? What possible reason is there to support such a government?
They enforce heavy military propoganda
What does it mean to “enforce heavy military propoganda”? You mean like we have at NFL games, only scary and foreign? Literally what do the thought-terminating cliches you’re using even mean, and how do they not apply to us?
They have wealthy oligarchs while they working class is barely scraping by
So like…they’re a capitalist country, but scaaary and foreign?
And they have been trying to forcefully take land from other countries for years at the expense of citizens of both sides
Other country, singular, because that’s how warfare works. I’m not sure if you realize that’s how warfare works, but it is. It’s weird of you to just say countries plural as if you’re not expecting anyone to fact check you. In fact, that’s kind of how you guys talk about any country the US tells you to hate in general: the strongest possible existential condemnation in the vaguest and most
possible terms.Please explain how everything I said isn’t true, or would you rather just hurl empty insults again instead and make yourself look even more ridiculous
Sorry, I don’t entertain the vague fever dreams of de facto nazi supporters who hold childlike beliefs about good and evil that they selectively apply to entire countries. Start talking in concrete terms if you want to be taken seriously, or would you rather just lean on empty cable news-ass buzzwords again and make yourself look even more like a hysterical dorkass?
