German Chancellor Friedrich Merz decided last week to partially suspend arms deliveries to Israel - a policy shift he made all on his own. Conservative lawmakers in the country are furious.
It’s not the being a Racist, it’s the how far you act on it.
The NAZI element is the supporting a Genocide which is turning into a new Holocaust (this one were the mass murdering is done via Starvation rather than Zyklon B, which is especially daming because Starvation is considered the most painful death there is on account of the body eating itself up) because the aggressors belong to and claim to represent a specific race than the victims: that is far, far beyond common racism - even the Ku-Klux-Klan did not murder as many children of the targetted ethnicity in a century as the Zionists did just in the first couple of months of this attack on Gaza.
That’s what really qualifies that kind of mindset at a level beyond “mere”, common Racism, and into the same domain as Nazism and other ethno-Fascist ideologies.
For me personally and adding to that, comes the profound dissapointment that a nation which I believed had, following the horror caused by a certain kind of thinking in their own past, interiorized the Humanist principle of an unconditional “Never again!”, turned out to instead had just interiorized the idea that a racial classification error had made with one specific ethnicity (and only one, so for example the Roma people whom Hitler himself made equally targetted for extermination, are not included in this) which was before deemed untermenschen when they should’ve been classified as ubermenschen, and just moved them from one classification to the other in their treatment of them - a mere admission and correction of a “labelling error” rather than acceptance of the error of and tearing down of the entire way of thinking that labelled people by ethnicity like that, used such labels to determine their “inherent worth” as human beings and translated that into actions that would even result in the death of millions of people deemed of a “lesser” race if the killers were of a “greater” race.
“Never again!” was only ever about specific races, not about what human beings should not do to other human beings.
The “unwavering support for the Jewish Nation”, very openly stated by amongst others Merz, could only be measured as “normal” Racism (it’s very openly about the ethnicity of the people in that nation, hence the Racial Discrimination is not in doubt) until the Genocide started, but its continuation even as it became clearer the extent and, maybe more damning, the sheer inhumanity (the targetting of children is pretty telling) of it, has showed that the mindset behind it was not merelly that of the common Racist: it takes a very special, very extreme kind of Racist to be ok wth the mass murdering of children.
Wherever the fuck the moral red line is for the German elites (it’s unclear if they even have one), it’s far beyond most Racists out there, even the likes of the most racist Afrikaners in Apartheid South Africa or the Ku-Klux-Klan in America.
But Germany is far from being the only country to support Israel’s genocide. Why, then, is this spezifically a “NAZI” thing when Germany does it? Are the US, UK etc. also supporting it because of the “NAZI” element?
I generally support calling it Nazi shit, but somehow these kinds of comments only seem to come up when it’s about Germany.
The NAZI element in this racism is the supporting of a Genocide
(Fixed it for you).
It was never about Germans being NAZIs or having NAZIs amongst them (which should be clear when that quote is seen in context rather than decontextualized as you used it) which is why on all my posts I very carefully only ever mentioned “NAZI-mindset” (and really meant it as “NAZI-like mindset” since it’s not about people thinking like the NAZIs in everything)
My point is about how a certain moral framework specifically defining how other people should be treated depending on their race, which is very much the same moral framework that served as foundation for NAZI thinking on Race, is still alive and well amongst the German elites and treated as a natural way of thinking by many if not most of the rest (i.e. it has been normalized amongst the German Society).
And, yeah Britain and America too display said “NAZI-mindset” in their support of this Genocide, and the rationale is the exact same one as I used when talking about Germany - its not about about having a National Socialist Party Of The German Worker there, it’s about following an extreme form of racial discrimination which sees mass murdering of children as morally acceptable if the aggressor ethnicity is a “favored” ethnicity and the children are from a “disfavored” one.
Further, having such a mindset amongst at least part of the population there makes all sense in light of both countries’ history: the British elites were very attracted to NAZIsm right up until Hitler invaded Poland (there’s even a picture of young Princess Elizabeth being taught the NAZI salute by her uncle, the King) AND have their own collection of Genocides they commited during the Empire times including one done in India by none other than Churchill himself, whilst America only exists as it is thanks to the Genocide of multiple Native Indian tribes there, plus widelly practiced Chatel Slavery for a large part of its History.
The real shocker in all this is that it turns out that either the “Humanism” of many supposedly Democratic nations in the last couple of decades was 100% performative and totally hypocrite or they’ve actually been regressing back to 19th century values (such as white colonialism and the myth of the “uncivilized savage” that justified treating them as subhuman - something which curiously, is a common supporting pillar in Israeli propaganda about Palestinians) that ended up materialized in the early 20th century in things like the Holocaust.
So no, the Nazi-mindset in the sense I used it (meaning Nazi-levels of Racism and disregard for human life) is not a Germany Exclusive. The only thing in this that is a Germany Exclusive is that Germany supposedly attoned for having acted on such mindset and expunged said mindset, but in practice it didn’t attone in a fair way (for example, the victims of the Holocaust from the Roma People never received the same treatment as even members of the Jewish People who themselves were never victims or family of the victims) and the mindset was never expunged and is alive and well amongst the power elites and even accepted as normal by many common Germans as painfully displayed in the “unwavering support of the Jewish Nation” whilst they commit Genocide.
You say all that, but where are your lengthy NAZI-mindset comments about other Israel supporters? You brought it up recently about Israel, so you might not be completely full of shit, but you understand why I’m suspicious about it, right?
I’ve been hammering the British Government posture on this quite hard everytime they arrest yet another Palestine-supporting anti-Genocide “terrorist” old lady, though I haven’t done it anywhere as much for the US because its current Fascism is so self-evident and so many people here relentlessly point it out and some even include comparisons with the NAZIs, so my voice would be redundant.
That said, events displaying extreme Racism in Germany do pull me towards mentioning the NAZIs, both because the NAZIs were mainly from Germany (and Austria) - so mentioning them in the context of Racism in Germany is like mentioning the Ku-Klux-Klan in the context of Racism in the US - and because before this display of the seedy underbelly of mainstream German politics I really, trully, deeply believed that Germans had learned from the horrors of NAZIsm to become even closer to Humanist ideals than most others and were thus the people in the World least likely to display traits of NAZI thinking.
Also as you see in my previous post, I do draw parallels to equivalent historical events for Britain and the US - the various Genocides of the British Empire for the former and the Native American Genocides for the latter.
That said, I confess I expected that kind of shit from Britain and the United States Of America (especially the former, having lived there for a decade and thus having a horrible opinion of it’s elites and parts of its society), but the depths of my dissapointment with Germany (were I also lived, tough only for a few months, having left with a far better impression than I did Britain) are undescribeable, and that does make me more likely to point the only other point in Germany’s recent history when the country in my view as a nation acted anywhere near the moral lows it is displaying now (I can’t really think of any other ocasion between then and now when Germany supported such horrible actions so openly justifying it with Racist rationales).
It’s not the being a Racist, it’s the how far you act on it.
The NAZI element is the supporting a Genocide which is turning into a new Holocaust (this one were the mass murdering is done via Starvation rather than Zyklon B, which is especially daming because Starvation is considered the most painful death there is on account of the body eating itself up) because the aggressors belong to and claim to represent a specific race than the victims: that is far, far beyond common racism - even the Ku-Klux-Klan did not murder as many children of the targetted ethnicity in a century as the Zionists did just in the first couple of months of this attack on Gaza.
That’s what really qualifies that kind of mindset at a level beyond “mere”, common Racism, and into the same domain as Nazism and other ethno-Fascist ideologies.
For me personally and adding to that, comes the profound dissapointment that a nation which I believed had, following the horror caused by a certain kind of thinking in their own past, interiorized the Humanist principle of an unconditional “Never again!”, turned out to instead had just interiorized the idea that a racial classification error had made with one specific ethnicity (and only one, so for example the Roma people whom Hitler himself made equally targetted for extermination, are not included in this) which was before deemed untermenschen when they should’ve been classified as ubermenschen, and just moved them from one classification to the other in their treatment of them - a mere admission and correction of a “labelling error” rather than acceptance of the error of and tearing down of the entire way of thinking that labelled people by ethnicity like that, used such labels to determine their “inherent worth” as human beings and translated that into actions that would even result in the death of millions of people deemed of a “lesser” race if the killers were of a “greater” race.
“Never again!” was only ever about specific races, not about what human beings should not do to other human beings.
The “unwavering support for the Jewish Nation”, very openly stated by amongst others Merz, could only be measured as “normal” Racism (it’s very openly about the ethnicity of the people in that nation, hence the Racial Discrimination is not in doubt) until the Genocide started, but its continuation even as it became clearer the extent and, maybe more damning, the sheer inhumanity (the targetting of children is pretty telling) of it, has showed that the mindset behind it was not merelly that of the common Racist: it takes a very special, very extreme kind of Racist to be ok wth the mass murdering of children.
Wherever the fuck the moral red line is for the German elites (it’s unclear if they even have one), it’s far beyond most Racists out there, even the likes of the most racist Afrikaners in Apartheid South Africa or the Ku-Klux-Klan in America.
But Germany is far from being the only country to support Israel’s genocide. Why, then, is this spezifically a “NAZI” thing when Germany does it? Are the US, UK etc. also supporting it because of the “NAZI” element?
I generally support calling it Nazi shit, but somehow these kinds of comments only seem to come up when it’s about Germany.
It was never about Germans being NAZIs or having NAZIs amongst them (which should be clear when that quote is seen in context rather than decontextualized as you used it) which is why on all my posts I very carefully only ever mentioned “NAZI-mindset” (and really meant it as “NAZI-like mindset” since it’s not about people thinking like the NAZIs in everything)
My point is about how a certain moral framework specifically defining how other people should be treated depending on their race, which is very much the same moral framework that served as foundation for NAZI thinking on Race, is still alive and well amongst the German elites and treated as a natural way of thinking by many if not most of the rest (i.e. it has been normalized amongst the German Society).
And, yeah Britain and America too display said “NAZI-mindset” in their support of this Genocide, and the rationale is the exact same one as I used when talking about Germany - its not about about having a National Socialist Party Of The German Worker there, it’s about following an extreme form of racial discrimination which sees mass murdering of children as morally acceptable if the aggressor ethnicity is a “favored” ethnicity and the children are from a “disfavored” one.
Further, having such a mindset amongst at least part of the population there makes all sense in light of both countries’ history: the British elites were very attracted to NAZIsm right up until Hitler invaded Poland (there’s even a picture of young Princess Elizabeth being taught the NAZI salute by her uncle, the King) AND have their own collection of Genocides they commited during the Empire times including one done in India by none other than Churchill himself, whilst America only exists as it is thanks to the Genocide of multiple Native Indian tribes there, plus widelly practiced Chatel Slavery for a large part of its History.
The real shocker in all this is that it turns out that either the “Humanism” of many supposedly Democratic nations in the last couple of decades was 100% performative and totally hypocrite or they’ve actually been regressing back to 19th century values (such as white colonialism and the myth of the “uncivilized savage” that justified treating them as subhuman - something which curiously, is a common supporting pillar in Israeli propaganda about Palestinians) that ended up materialized in the early 20th century in things like the Holocaust.
So no, the Nazi-mindset in the sense I used it (meaning Nazi-levels of Racism and disregard for human life) is not a Germany Exclusive. The only thing in this that is a Germany Exclusive is that Germany supposedly attoned for having acted on such mindset and expunged said mindset, but in practice it didn’t attone in a fair way (for example, the victims of the Holocaust from the Roma People never received the same treatment as even members of the Jewish People who themselves were never victims or family of the victims) and the mindset was never expunged and is alive and well amongst the power elites and even accepted as normal by many common Germans as painfully displayed in the “unwavering support of the Jewish Nation” whilst they commit Genocide.
You say all that, but where are your lengthy NAZI-mindset comments about other Israel supporters? You brought it up recently about Israel, so you might not be completely full of shit, but you understand why I’m suspicious about it, right?
Check my posting history.
I’ve been hammering the British Government posture on this quite hard everytime they arrest yet another Palestine-supporting anti-Genocide “terrorist” old lady, though I haven’t done it anywhere as much for the US because its current Fascism is so self-evident and so many people here relentlessly point it out and some even include comparisons with the NAZIs, so my voice would be redundant.
That said, events displaying extreme Racism in Germany do pull me towards mentioning the NAZIs, both because the NAZIs were mainly from Germany (and Austria) - so mentioning them in the context of Racism in Germany is like mentioning the Ku-Klux-Klan in the context of Racism in the US - and because before this display of the seedy underbelly of mainstream German politics I really, trully, deeply believed that Germans had learned from the horrors of NAZIsm to become even closer to Humanist ideals than most others and were thus the people in the World least likely to display traits of NAZI thinking.
Also as you see in my previous post, I do draw parallels to equivalent historical events for Britain and the US - the various Genocides of the British Empire for the former and the Native American Genocides for the latter.
That said, I confess I expected that kind of shit from Britain and the United States Of America (especially the former, having lived there for a decade and thus having a horrible opinion of it’s elites and parts of its society), but the depths of my dissapointment with Germany (were I also lived, tough only for a few months, having left with a far better impression than I did Britain) are undescribeable, and that does make me more likely to point the only other point in Germany’s recent history when the country in my view as a nation acted anywhere near the moral lows it is displaying now (I can’t really think of any other ocasion between then and now when Germany supported such horrible actions so openly justifying it with Racist rationales).