We present cumulative data and statistics collected since the launch of the fully-fledged version of the EIC Accelerator in June 2021.
We present cumulative data and statistics collected since the launch of the fully-fledged version of the EIC Accelerator in June 2021.
If you read the stats and you come up with such an (edited) title, it is clear that OP has an agenda. This is not about information or instigating a discussion because they are interesting in something, it’s just to spread someone’s propaganda.
What are you talking about, an agenda? I presented the link and the graph and gave the post a title as to what stood out the most to me.
I didn’t include the UK because I thought that the UK had still been in the EU in 2021 (I misremembered that Brexit was November 2021 and not 2020) - Regardless, UK is in Europe. Israel is not, and never has been to my knowledge.
So?
The data you’ve shown here is about the EIC (European Innovation Council), which is funded by Horizon Europe, in which, despite its name, also non-European countries can be (associated) members of. This includes Israel, but also Turkey, Canada or Tunisia, i.a.. Those members obviously also have to pay into it.
As an european I don’t want my name associated with genocidal regime, especially when those regime develop surveillance technologies and drones that one day might be used on civilians population here.
…and that’s fine.
But that’s something different than to try to make it appear as though Israel is somehow unjustifiably being fed “European money” here.
Of course it’s unjustifiable, what the fuck. They’re bombing civilians. Are you justifying any association with a genocidal regime?
I replied to this comment:
So unjustifiable in terms of “look, there is this non-European country that gets money from this European fund.”. That’s simply not the case, as this “European fund” is also funded by non-European countries (for exampe Israel).
If you want all Israeli science projects, startups and companies currently partaking in the EIC to be expelled due to the actions of the Israeli government, that’s totally fine by me. But as said, this can and should be done in a direct and honest approach instead of creating the scandalising and false sentiment that a non-European country is somehow unjustifiably being fed European money here.
Honestly, I’d rather be accused of inaccuracy than being complicit with a genocide.
@KIKILOVE@piefed.social
This is - among others - what is understood by propaganda and what I’d call an agenda: Repeat your own single argument, not matter what others have commented.
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Fine. But if you don’t even want to bother to argue accurately, why should anyone care about your contributions?
A lot of the current problems in the world stem from people no longer wanting to take an arduous look at the whole picture and instead jump to quick conclusions. I don’t think thats something we also should do here, but you do you.
@Babalugats@feddit.uk
An important detail that others have already said is that the EU collaborates with a lot of non-EU and also with non-European countries. Here is a list of the EU’s Science and Technology Agreements with non-EU countries.
It has also been said that these countries must contribute financially for the projects they apply, another point that is important in this context that you didn’t mention.
What ‘stood out most’ to you and the way you represented it is a detail out of context that ends up in an article reflecting a completely distorted reality.
A more important detail is that Europe is collaborating with a Genocidal regime here.
It has also been said that many of the Israeli projects have ended up helping Israel to commit genocide.
What stood out most is that Israel is committing genocide and undoubtedly benefiting from these funds. As a European, I am disgusted that there is any involvement in such a way, but i am glad that it is public as it allows people to make up their own minds and see things as they are. Similarly it shows that these instances seem to have started heading the same way as sub forums with like named topics went.
@Babalugats@feddit.uk
Do you even recognize that you post the same comment no matter what the issue is? You are just repeating one and the same argument whatever one says.
Not the same comment, but the same point. I thought I would challenge you at your own game.
BTW, it’s the European invocation Fund, not the EU innovation fund.
Propaganda like “we shouldn’t fund genocidal technologies”?
You can criticize Israel’s genocide, but this article is about something else. OP picked and chose some details out of context to provide a desired narrative, a ‘method’ that is unfortunately widespread here.
Narrative like “we shouldn’t associate with genocidal regime”?
I subscribe to that narrative
That is different than ‘funding genocidal technologies’ that you previously stated though: the grants specifically target civilian (not military) applications, albeit, some technologies may be dual use. It is not like the money is used for murder machines. Nevertheless, disassociating may be a good idea due to these dual use applications.
Some of the money got granted to IBM, who helped the IDF create Where’s daddy, Lavender and other “targeted” bombing systems.
I doubt the IEC accelerator will fund IBM, as it only funds start-ups and SMEs (small businesses?). They might have gotten Horizon Europe funding, but that generally comes with very strict reporting requirements. You should be able to find the project here if that were the case.
That said, we don’t have much business funding IBM, they have sufficient money from their previous ‘ventures’.
Indeed it seems to be some other program under Horyzon.
Still though. The UE removed funding for british researchers during Brexit. That was a bad idea. The UK voted for a political decision, they didn’t commit war crime.
On the other side, we should not have business with israel at all.
They did that because we, unfortunately, chose to stop participating in Horizon Europe. It wasn’t a punishment levelled at the UK by the EU, it was the UK removing itself. We have since rejoined