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Yeah you know what, let’s just abolish law enforcement all together. I’m sure nothing bad will come of it.
Why trust the state with violence?
Law enforcement does not prevent violence. Uvalde and other school shootings are examples of late violent responses. Armed suspects scare law enforcement. Law enforcement is incapable of doing violence to protect the unarmed.
A better alternative is to arm and train community members. We keep us safe.
Then I guess you’re just choosing to ignore other countries which actually hold their police force to higher standards. You know, requiring actual training and holding officers accountable for their actions. Or are we strictly talking about the US here?
Nope, those systematic diseases are evil too.
The only bad that could come from it would be violent thugs beating the population into submission so business interests can exploit the people unabated. Oh wait…
State ≠ law enforcement
A state is a centralised, often highly stratified entity with a monopoly of violence.
When we say, “abolish the state”, what we mean is that:
• we demand devolution
• we demand liberation and equity
• we demand the abolition of capitalism
• we push against terrorist cops bombing peopleRules can be made without a centralised, segregated institution that wants to defend either of those by violence on the commoners.
A.C.A.B
being a cop is a choice, being straight / gay or cis / trans is not.
And that’s why blue lives don’t exist. No one is born a cop.
ah, that’s an interesting distinction - Black folks cannot avoid their fate as Black, but cops absolutely can choose a different profession.
In the past I have often wondered about the way the police profession preys on poor people (much like how recruitment of soldiers targets the most poor and desperate), and so historically I’ve favored a view that sees the process of becoming a police officer as at least somewhat coercive - there are economic factors that are coercive, but also a hegemonic culture of recruitment and indoctrination that is relevant to why the least educated and privileged among us become cops. That indoctrination does make those people class traitors, and I do think within the same context some people choose to take a different path - so I don’t see that system of coercion as total in the sense that cops don’t have any relevant choice or moral responsibility.
Regardless, it’s categorically different than being an oppressed minority that targets people based on fixed, biological traits.
And even if gender or orientation was a choice (not implying that it is), it would be a choice that is infinitely less harmful to the people around you.
sure, maybe - conservatives tend to overreact to news about gay and trans and I’m not entirely willing to say what they experience is not a kind of harm (even if we aren’t sympathetic to their feelings), but this theoretical exercise is pointless since being gay and trans are biological and genetic conditions that can’t be altered - you’re stuck with your gender identity and sexual orientation.
I hate how much copaganda they shove at kids. Yesterday mine said his dream job was to be a cop, so he could chase bank robbers. After deliberately not saying six terrible things(a medium length pause), I just asked, “have you ever seen a cop actually do that?” and left it at that.
I’m pretty explicit with my kids about how terrible the cops are. I’ve told them about Rodney King, about George Floyd, how cops lie to trick people into confessing, how they don’t face consequences for their own crimes. Don’t talk to cops, don’t invite them in. Stranger danger x10. If my kids get lost in a public place, they’re supposed to look for a mom with kids. No Paw Patrol in this house.
I don’t want them to become victims today or to grow up to be murderers tomorrow. They need to know and I’m not going to make them guess.
You said cops my kids say fuck the police. The older one gets it the younger one will.
Yours is great, I always thought the best would be to look for parents with kids that look comfortable.
Then you know the kids feel safe with their parents, and the parents don’t want to suddenly pick up someone else’s kid, though know how to care for it until they find their parents.
I’d rather chase bank owners.
Same, we’ll get him there in the end.
That’s a hard choice to make; i mean, you’ll get farther with just an axe because of the weight, but a chainsaw can literally scare the shit out of them
Anyone can chase bank robbers if they’re not a pussy
I’d rather not. Reform them into builders, carpenters, engineers, plumbers, and miners instead. Those who do care about others should be social workers, doctors, and lawyers.
You can’t reform traitors to class and country
Dale Gribble?
Only one of {gay; straight; trans; cop} is a choice.
Fuck. Something just clicked in my head. So it seems to be that many homophobes are closeted homosexual, denying it to themselves or whatever.
In their mind, is being gay a choice because they themselves have chosen to repress it, to pretend to be straight? Sometimes for years, decades, or their entire lives! Therefore, by that logic, that’s why they don’t seem to understand when called out for making shitty choices, because “the gays” have also made shitty choices (in their view).
Does that make sense or am I speaking bollocks?
Thats an innovative way to look at it so next time someone gives that line, “… you can chose not to be gay…” I am going to ask how do you know have you done it?
Internalised homophobia is a strong drug.
I never was one, but used to fight the urge for my queerself to liberate, by fitnessing a lot and doing hobbies counterstereotypical to the gender I felt deep down. But that eventually made me a bit more miserable.
I think that somewhere in there, others decide their misery must be what others also have, and they hate seeing it, and so project their own self-hatred upon others. Luckily I skipped that train, and now I’m feeling much better.
Now that it clicked, you’ll notice it in a LOT of statements made by homophobes.
The other option is men who fear being treated by gays the way they themselves treat women.
No that’s exactly how it works, how most outspoken homophobes are closeted. They see gay sex as giving in to the sinful urge everyone totally has.
I would even go so far as to say that quite a lot of them are bi, and when they notice that they are indeed attracted to their own gender, they can truthfully say to themselves “see? I can actually chose to be attracted to the other gender!”
Nope, I’ve pretty much heard it verbatim from some church colleagues (I don’t go any more). I love asking, “well did you choose to be straight?”, because the ones who stammer and sputter and shoot back a, “did you?!”. The looks on their face when I say, “Nope! I wish I was, because I have so many gay friends I wouldn’t be wanting for options!” or similar, priceless.
Even the few who get pissed off never have a good retort to that. It’s like watching an old computer struggle to stay responsive. It’s either straight to ad hominems and name calling pretty much ignoring the whole conversation happened like the entire “Question the Gays” app crashed, or they struggle to reconcile their shitty world views for damn minutes on end.
ACAB doesn’t mean Assigned Cop At Birth?
So there are no straight transpersons?
I think we should probably be something like
Only one of {homo; hetero; pan; cop} and one of {cis; trans; nonbinary; cop}
But we can make it simpler by restricting it to {decent human being; cop}
Bro decided to simplify the equation.
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“How to be a good police officer:”
“Quit.”
I’d say arrest your colleagues when they commit crimes, but the department would fire you then either murder you or run you out of town with constant threats and harassment
there’s a reason pig is not halal or kosher.
So sad because as a kid I said to someone I might want to be a cop to try and help people and they were like uhhh that’s basically what people who didn’t finish high-school do. Little did I know that would be better than what we have now…
What if they did in a country that holds them to a higher standard?
so it’s ok to sign up to be the violent tools of the state as long as the state is slightly less evil than this one?
Nah, they’re mostly a continuation of feudal knights who protected the property of their lords. Police simply crowdfund that protection of property to all land owners and the government. They’re necessary to a capitalist state, not to reigning in abuse. The people who do the most harm are often protected by the police rather than punished. The few good things police occasionally do are usually not their main job and would be better handled by nonviolent workers.
You need some law enforcement. There will always be violent criminals, no matter what form of society you want. They’re poisonous and awful, and the system should be burned to the ground---- but we will need a replacement.
A large part of violent crime is caused by capitalism.
Think about it. This is a wall of text, so I ain’t no judge you for no reading. But a little understanding helps. Let me tell you a story that has happened to millions of people worldwide. Some of them could be your cousin, child, spouse, best friend or whatever.
So, imagine you have to pay high rents and medical bills. Groceries are expensive. You cannot afford it and so sell your home, or divorce, or whatever. There can be a dozen causes.
Now you’re homeless or poor. And your situation worsens. So you try to find help, but get rejected because social assistance gets defunded by the fascists. You try again and try to find work, but to have work, you need a residence.
Eventually, it feels pointless, and you go into drugs and selling them, or consuming them. Perhaps to escape your situation, or to forget it.
But you can’t always pay for them. So you are made addicted and with withdrawal turn to violence. Had you been given access to clean, free drugs from hospitals, you wouldn’t need to spend all your savings on this, and instead could focus on pulling yourself up.
Or perhaps you’ve not used drugs. But you need money to have groceries. And so you beg, go into prostitution, or whatever.
Naturally, that draws cops, because some rich people don’t understand the hell you go through. They think, ew, shabby people, must be dangerous, because that’s what the media say. The cops could help you stop and get back up, perhaps, right? But they’re paid for every crime they detect and arrest. And they’re not paid well. So they decide to plant drugs, or whatever incriminating ‘evidence’. Bodycam? They just disable it, or ‘forget’ they had them. And they have a gun, so they can intimidate judges.
So you get locked up. And it might not be just the case in the USA, but worldwide, imprisonment have focused more and more on punishment rather than rehabilitation. If you’re lucky, you get given resources to improve and community service, but you shouldn’t have needed to end up in there in the first place, because the system has failed. But if you’re unlucky, you’re in a for-profit prison, and need to work unpaid hours under forced labour (hello, slavery and the 13th amendment!). And especially unluckily, you get deported to Alligator Auschwitz for being an immigrant, or put into a male section with dozens of seething male rapists, as a trans woman.
Had you had universal, free healthcare, and rent were affordable or socialised entirely, had social assistance been great, you would have been back up immediately. But billionnaires don’t want to pay tax. To earn what Musk did in his less than 50 years, you’d need to earn $1 million an hour, every day, from 16 to 65. Or to work a regular job 2,000 years nonstop. You won’t be a kabajillionnaire with hard work.
All those $1 million an hour lads got that wealth through inherited luck and exploitation of people like you, making you hate the other for that $5 wage, while you earn $10.
They tell you to retire later and pull yourself up by your bootstraps, while you work harder than they fuck underage people. If you’re lucky, you’re facing an uncertain retirement and can afford a smaller house. But if you’re unlucky, even euthanasia is out of the question, because like abortion, you banned it because you hated women more than you wanted to get a proper wage.
Sobering. So how could it be different? How do we build a better world?
Everything helps. But some more than others. To defeat a ‘peaceful’ capitalist democracy, we can strike, riot, and rebel peacefully. But to defeat fascism, I have to admit we need arms and to train and organise ourselves well. Not voting has never helped do anything (unless if a minimum turnout is necessary to validify the results), other than democracies strongly disapproving of results.
That’s a complete fantasy. People don’t rape, don’t assault, others because of only money. Yes, capitalism increases those harms. But drug addicts will exist in any society, for a variety of reasons, as long as drugs are possible to access (so off the bat there is questionable), and you can do harm reduction for that. But beyond that, there people out there who get a power high off of abusive others. There will still be that crime.
I’m well aware of everything you said, I just have a bit less faith in the default good of humanity. There will still be abusers and rapists.
I have to admit we need arms and to train and organise ourselves well. Not voting has never helped do anything (unless if a minimum turnout is necessary to validify the results), other than democracies strongly disapproving of results.
Of course. To defeat fascism, at a minimum we need to be doing protests that have a real threat behind them. A lot harder to break up a crowd when we have assault rifles.
If you mean protecting people who do not protect themselves, yes that is necessary. At the same time, most violent crime isn’t simply inherently violent people, but directly related to businesses outside of the legal system. Organized crime is often the leading cause of violent crime, and when you consider that organized crime thrives in communities impoverished by legal companies and systemic disparities, business really is the root of most problems.
When it comes to interpersonal disputes, community members stepping up could be as effective as cops. For standing up to business ills, the situation is more complicated.
When it comes to interpersonal disputes, community members stepping up could be as effective as cops.
…mob justice is rarely ever a good idea, and best avoided if at all possible, excluding cases where the legal systems have blatantly failed. I feel that may fly too close to that, depending on how it’s organized.
The people bring the violence to organized crime as much as the organized crime brings the violence to people.
Are jury trials mob justice?
Inherent in the phrase “jury trial” is the presumption of a legal system carrying out a legitimate legal process. I think jury trials can only be mob justice when that legal process functions illegitimately (e.g. by violating the rights of the accused).
I personally would object to my boy being gay but also if my daughter was straight. I just don’t like the mental image of penises around my kids.
Vaginas are alright tho, they don’t enter you forcefully and lay eggs inside like some weird alien, not to be taken seriously tho since I’m also a queer man so yeah…
Stay away from children, please.
I hope you never have kids
Well that was a gross thing to type.
Penises don’t enter anyone forcefully either, rapists with penises insert them
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