France is working with partners on a plan over how to respond should the United States act on its threat to take over Greenland, Foreign Affairs Minister Jean-Noel Barrot said on Wednesday.

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    Your problem is that you are comparing individual bases against the whole country’s military.

    Sure your bases might be better equipped but that’s just one base in an enemy territory, completely surrounded.

    I really don’t understand your logic. What makes you think that a single, isolated base in the middle of enemy territory can survive? They stand no chance of survival.

    Remember, the countries those bases are in, they know about all the capabilities those bases have and everything about them, whereas you DO NOT (or would not know in the case of an attack) about what will be thrown at you.

    Also, no, your specific experience is NOT a source of anything, other than the source of your opinion. The sky being blue is a fact that can be observed. You have NOT fought against European armies, you have NOT had to defend your bases against the whole of the country’s military power and you cannot know what would happen. You are expressing your opinions, we are both speculating and you have zero proof to support your opinions.

    So far your source is the same as me saying “I attended a military parade and visited a military base”.

    I searched for anything supporting the conclusion that if the US invaded Greenland local European military forces would seize local bases and equipment and found nothing.

    Attacking Greenland is attacking NATO. And this is all based on the assumption that the remaining NATO members would go to war with the USA. You don’t need to search for what happens during war, I’m sure you know. There doesn’t have to be some law or anything to take over enemy bases.

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      [example of a source](Source: European Council on Foreign Relations https://share.google/8lhLm73boOSh0Nf7c) supporting my opinion. It’s simple to search for more.

      My personal experience while stationed in Europe was participating is training exercises regarding attacks on bases by local terrorist groups. This was in an exercise format. These exercises lasted several days and occurred on a regular basis. I was in the room the simulation occurred in. I was able to see first had the decision making process of the people involved.

      In my opinion, having observed the declassified US response to an attack, the thought that these bases and equipment would simply be taken over by local forces is not likely. The bases will likely be destroyed and used a a pretext for a larger component of US forces to engage. That being the case, would local EU leaders risk attacking US bases? Legitimate question that gets to the heart of the issue raised by the original comment.

      I am not sure why you are talking about fighting European armies. I have nodes idea who wins. I am talking about g about the specific comment that these bases would be taken over and equipment acquired by local forces.

      In short, in that scenario the bases are not meant to survive. Their purpose is to get hit to justify hitting back harder.

      Edit: better than simply saying that’s your opinion, explain your understanding of the US response following direct attacks on its military bases.

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        That being the case, would local EU leaders risk attacking US bases?

        We are talking about a response to the US invading Greenland. So either the “remaining” NATO or rather the EU just let it happen or they defend themselves (which they clearly stated they have ordered the local military to do so in the event of an US attack). If they fight in Greenland the risk wouldn’t be to attack them but to not attack them. It would be absurd actually to leave them be while they are probably helping and organising the attack in Greenland.

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        Okay, so your issue is with the “taken over and equipment confiscated”. I agree that not every base could be taken over and equipment confiscated. I did clarify in another comment that the personnel and troops in those bases would either have to surrender or die. But many bases could be taken over extremely easily. Those that would resist and couldn’t be overcome, would simply be bombed and destroyed.

        explain your understanding of the US response following direct attacks on its military bases.

        The attacks on USA military bases would be the remaining NATO members’ response to the USA attacking one of its allies (Greenland), not the other way around.

        My first comment was a response to someone saying that the USA military based in the EU would march into the capitals and take them over somehow. Which is an absolutely absurd statement (and they have slightly edited that comment since)

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          I agree that it is absurd to think that the US military would ever march into European capitals unless it was at the end of an extremely long engagement similar to what is being done to Ukraine.

          Also, I sincerely hope none of this ever happens (or if it does that the left [economic NOT US political left] is victorious and I can use my fediverse comment history to be welcomed into the the post US post capitalist world)