Netanyahu is also Merz’s daddy.

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    And for this time, they are vulnerable.

    I have yet to see a comparison of military capabilities of the EU and Russia, or Nato without the US and Russia that shows that Russia could win.

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      It’s not about Russia winning against the EU, they can barely progress meters a month in Ukraine. Every Intel report the US withholds from Ukraine has the potential to cost Ukrainian lives, German equipment, French support, UK morale, etc.

      The complete destruction of Europe is not the only thing we are worried about, every tantrum thrown by the orange toddler has very serious consequences.

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      I see through your strategy and won’t do you the favor and disprove your claim, but ask you to do the opposite - show us that Russia is no threat towards the EU.

      If you read military experts like for example Sönke Neitzel or Carlo Masala, you will come to the conclusion that Russia is indeed a threat. Comparing pure numbers of soldiers or dollars is a naive fallacy.

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        Sönke Neitzel or Carlo Masala

        Thanks for the reference.

        show us that Russia is no threat towards the EU

        What would be the strategic goal? Using a war to conquer the Baltics for security is stupid.

        The EU could unlock Russia’s resources and be the security partner to protect those resources against American interests.

        The future of the world is in the east. It is a waste of resources to expand further in the west.

        The tricky question is why Ukraine was then important at all. I think it wouldn’t be if things like Iraq, Syria or Venezuela wouldn’t happen. The US are developing starshield https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX_Starshield . Nukes don’t guarantee security anymore and Europe could be a sacrifice that the US is willing to make so some territorial buffer was needed.

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          What would be the strategic goal? Using a war to conquer the Baltics for security is stupid.

          Putin stated very clearly, that his goal is to rebuild the Russian Empire. He claimed more than once all land a Russian soldier ever set foot on as genuine Russian possession - That would be the old Warsaw Pact.

          The EU could unlock Russia’s resources and be the security partner to protect those resources against American interests.

          That’s exactly what Putin’s Erasian doctrin aims fore Only problem. The European ideas about human rights, democracy &c are incompatible with the idea of an authocratic Russian hegemony over Eurasia. If he made peace and cooperated with the EU, these ideas would destroy his autocratic rule. He needs vasall states, not partners.

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            He claimed more than once all land a Russian soldier ever set foot on as genuine Russian possession - That would be the old Warsaw Pact.

            Do you have a quote for that?

            I have checked his essay https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Historical_Unity_of_Russians_and_Ukrainians and it doesn’t sound that extensive.

            Putin’s Erasian doctrin

            Which doctrin?

            He needs vasall states, not partners.

            The way the EU reacted to Venezuela, it couldn’t get much worse. But is that really the Russian objective?

            Why would France and Germany alone not be stronger than Russia? Apart from Nukes, if Russia aligns with Europe, e.g. like Norway, wouldn’t that shift power to the EU?