AI-generated videos promoting Poland’s exit from the European Union have appeared on Polish-language social media, featuring non-existent, attractive young women advocating for “Polexit”.
One TikTok account called “Prawilne Polki” published content showing women dressed in T-shirts bearing Polish flags and patriotic symbols, European analytics collective Res Futura said. The content targeted audiences aged 15 to 25.
The videos featured statements including: “I want Polexit because I want freedom of choice, even if it will be more expensive. I don’t remember Poland before the European Union, but I feel it was more Polish then.”
For post cold war times, Russia has a hard time winning this selected comparison. Italy is active in Libya, Belgium has caused many and is still causing death with the Hutu Tutsi separation. Canada hosts many mining companies that will do stuff that is not in the news. The Fins weren’t too nice to the Sami.
The Ukraine war makes Russia the winner. Yet the Iraq war alone has created more death than Russia has caused until the Ukraine war and may still be leading in total. As mentioned above, excluding the US is cheating.
The cold war is difficult to judge. E.g. I think the USSR was asked to help in Afghanistan. So are Russians to blame for the deaths? Again, if the US is included, the numbers pale.
To me, the Russian origin is not fully clear. Stalin, a Georgian, ordered huge amounts of deportations. Breschnew, with Ukrainian roots, ordered the tanks into Czechoslovakia. My guess is that the Russians who were settled weren’t asked too much either.
Nevertheless this has led to Russian dominance and weakened national identities. It’s understandable that the countries don’t want further Russian influence.
The historic joke is that the cultural loss from TikTok reels, pop culture and globalized working conditions will be far bigger.
did it as a leader of a country aiming for converting all of multitude of nations into Russian culture and language. He was not opposed to that. Regardless of his roots, he was loyal to the project of russification.
ordered the tanks into Czechoslovakia as a leader of a country aiming for converting all of multitude of nations into Russian culture and language. He was not opposed to that. Regardless of his roots, he was loyal to the project of russification.
Now you are turning it from the junta in Kremlin to the nation of Russians. Those are waters one should not tread. Yeah, USSR was a country that did not really care about the wellbeing of individual citizens. That’s what we’re talking about here.
What cultures have seized to exist because of TikTok reels, pop culture and globalized working conditions? You are comparing things that are indeed bad to actual genocides.
There are two levels of genocide. One is to kill all people, the other is to dissolve their culture.
Excluding the USA is cheating if you want to compare what countries have been doing in the past. But you were talking about the contemporary situation. You were talking about NATO countries being a threat to the Russia now, in the 21st century. That means primarily Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland, because those are the countries that would attack the Russia if there was to be an “attack by NATO”. When you are saying that NATO countries are a danger to the Russia, you are saying these five countries are the danger. Maybe add Sweden as a sixth one if you consider them to be bordering Kaliningrad because of Gotland. I already stretched a bit towards supporting your argument by adding central European countries to the list. USA is so far away from the Russia that it cannot attack it. It absolutely would want to, but it cannot.
When talking about threat to the Russia, USA is irrelevant (unless allied in an attack with some countries actually physically able to invade the Russia!). When we are talking about danger of NATO to the Russia, we are not talking about USA, because USA is on another continent. And the Russia is militarily a very different thing than Iraq or Afghanistan are. And keep in mind that in the end USA didn’t really gain anything sensible in either of those, regardless of their weakness.
When you are talking about NATO’s threat to the Russia, bringing Canada or USA into the conversation is cheating, because those are not potential aggressors, at least not main aggressors. Do not do that. Talk about the countries that would actually commit the attack and tell why those countries are a threat to the Russia. Tell why Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland would want to attack the Russia. How would it benefit them?
If the US is included in what? The only logical comparison here would be US-caused casualties in the Soviet-Afghan war vs Soviet-caused casualties in that war. But I don’t think that’s what you really meant, so a bit of clarification would be good to have!
Vietnam, Indonesia, Bangladesh, South American Banana Republics, Iran-Iraq war. You had the Korean war on Russia but it could as well be on Korea.
In which of those countries is the native population now under 5% of the country’s population because of US actions committed at least somewhat recently? For example in the Hanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug 1,5 % of the population is Khanty, 0,9% of the population is Mansi.
Or, you can just look at the contemporary map of Finno-Ugric languages:
You can see the big gap east of Finland. Think about why that area is not coloured as having speakers of Finno-Ugric languages anymore.
Or just look at the population of Finland, which is about 5,6 million. Or that of Estonia, some 1,2 million. And compare it to the number of Karelians in the Republic of Karelia, right across the border: 25,901 people. 86% of the population there are Russians, only 5.5% are locals. That is what it would now look like in Finland if we had not stopped the Russia in 1939-1940. US has done a lot of evil (Hawa’ii…), but nowhere have they done within the last century what the Russia is contemporarily doing in its colonies. And yes, USA has been doing some bad shit, but it absolutely pales in comparison the Russian colonialism. The only difference is that nobody seems to care of the Siberians like they care of Africans.
Here’s a map that shows France and England, and also the size of their colonial empires:
And here’s a map that shows the Russia (marked with bright yellow), and also the size of its colonial empire:
And yes, people did say “but come on, all of that is France, you can’t say that France is just that small part there!”, and people have also been saying “but comeone, all of that is the Russia, you can’t say that the Russia is just that small part there!”, but it still holds that the colonized territories are colonized territories that need to be free.
But really, none of the those countries you listed have a situation a tenth as bad as that of the plethora of nations colonized by the Russia. Horrors have happened, absolutely, but not at the level of the current colonial Russia.
You were talking casualities before.
If you care about racial purity, the West is the wrong choice. It’s all about mixed societies. If the races are about to dissolve in the west do you think some minorities will be excempted and protected?
It’s all about having workers and if populations are not fertile then immigrants are used. So you have to reject emancipation of women if you want to maintain minorities.
Haven’t the Finns like the Hungarians migrated to these lands? That would explain the gap. At least Hungary then shows that the Uralic people are not only genozided but also have displaced other people.
Would the Finns be dead or identify as Russian?
Look up German culture in the US. The bullying was introduced in schools to stop Germans from speaking German. WW1 made it strategic, but I think they were far more thorough than the Russians.
Show me a million deaths since the 90ies and you have even more of my attention.
The west is supporting a genocidal war in Sudan to secure the coast of the Red Sea.
Minorities losing their identities is something else than starving to death or being raped and shot for being of the wrong tribe.
Of course, minority support is important but I think it’s too much to be envious of Africans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_genocide
It wasn’t worse because the USSR prevented the US from intervening.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_Liberation_War
I have to postpone a detailed answer but want to directly mention that the US cannot be ignored. The US is able to and willing to project power. It’s also the US that made Nato countries spend 4%.
The US care about China. To contain China, China mustn’t have access to Russian resources. I expect that all the weapens that are bought for defence by the EU will be used offensively.
What countries did US make spend 4% of their GDP for military readiness? Many countries have had to increase their defence spending either because they are directly threatened by the Russia or because they are in EU and countries in EU that are crucial to their wellbeing are threatened by the Russia. So, those had to increase their defence spending anyway and naturally will be excluded from your list. So, what are the countries you are talking about?
If the US wanted to stop China from gaining the Russian resources, it would make sure the war in Ukraine stops ASAP, even if that means their ally will lose the war. Because each month the war is prolonged means China getting a stronger foothold on the resources in the Russia. Now they are not doing that, but are putting all the pressure on Ukraine instead.
I think Europe was still spending more than Russia before. We should have been able to repell Russia already. To me, the increased spending means that we are preparing to escalate and beat Russia.
The first goal of the US is to split Russia and the EU. The China Russia allience is unavoidable now. Russia was denied Nato membership, so they know the US is out to get them, China knows that anway. There is no diplomatic solution. They prepare to defend together while the EU and the US are preparing to take them apart.
At least here it says that in 2021 the Russia’s military spending was 4% of its GDP. The only country that was somewhat prepared for repelling the Russia before 2022 was Finland. In school I was taught this about our military strategy: “Finland’s defence doctrine is based on the concept of Credible Defence. It means that the Russia would be able to overrun this country, but we are able to cause them such a high level of material losses that they would lose more than they would gain, because of which they will never attack.”
This is what all Finns considered true, until around end of March 2022. By then it was clear to Finns that the Russia should by all logic withdraw from its attack and find a way out of the war without losing its face, but also that it will not do that. Which meant that the core principle of our defence doctrine was moot. If the Russia ignores economical sensibility of waging a war, then our strategy of “yeah, they could take conquer us, but it would be economically idiotic” won’t be of any use to us. Therefore, we had to look for another solution, and Finns’ opinions moved from 65 % anti-NATO to 80 % pro-NATO during March and April 2022. Putin’s closest friends, such as Rotenberg, spend a lot of time in Finland and speak Finnish, so he was aware of this. But yeah: Our new military strategy is that it’s not enough to stop the Russia if it attacks. We must be able to decisively beat them. Otherwise they will attack.
The US is. Now in 2025, I wish EU was, as well. But it is not. Which is idiotic. As long as the Russia is in one piece, it will attack again.
The Russian economy has the size of Italy. Absolute numbers, PPP adjusted, have to be compared while considering that the exchange rates are manipulated.
Various strategists say that Ukraine is crucial for Russian defence. Venezuela, Iraq show that Russia needs military defence. Staying in the war prevents EU troops in Ukraine which would make any further intervention impossible. Russia is rational. The media just never mention the reasons, for a reason.
This will end with Nato using Finnish enthusiasm for a northern front when the US attack China.
The irony of history will be that that will finish the Finns, when they run against Chinese drones.
Ukraine is more important.
If I am wrong I will have to severely apologize. I don’t believe the Russian irrationality but I see the utility for Nato.
There is a recorded phone call of Victoria Nuland about the US financing the democratic development for years while all media insist that Russia started the war for imperial reasons in 2014. Isn’t this enough to show that this is a US project?
Yeah, Finn’s behaviour with the Sámi has not ben very nice at all. I am happy that we’ve largely changed directions, even though we still do weird shit, such as the authorities in Helsinki deciding who is allowed to count as Sámi and who not, ignoring the opinion of the actual Sámi people… But our behaviour is from a different planet compared to what the Russian Empire, USSR and the Russian Federation have been doing and is doing. There is no genocide of the Sámi people going on. Regarding Canadian mining companies I do not know enough to understand what you are referring to.
Iraqi war caused only half a million to one million casualties. How is that worse than what the Russian Empire and USSR have done to their colonies? And what the Russia has been continuing since? Even if the Russia has toned that behaviour down from the Soviet times, it is still being a horrible colonialist. And it’s the only European colonial power that has not given freedom to most of its colonies. France, England and Portugal still have some colonies here and there, but even they have let the most go. The Russia/USSR let less than one quarter of its colonized territories free in 1991. And even in those areas it continued the same behaviour France is known for in its old colonies.
There are smaller regime changes for mining rights. Canada also has their natives. Don’t those natives have less than what natives in Russia have?
I was comparing newer times. Otherwise you have to look at native Americans. My impression is that they had it worse.
In Ukraine there are far fewer casualities. Still not good, but in comparison the US looks worse.
Same for Britain while the US took over the Spanish empire.
Russia is an empire. The problem for Russia is that they can’t dissolve and regroup like the EU or with the EU because the US would grab everything and treat it like South America.
People believe in American freedom while the poor there work two jobs and don’t have dental care. People ignore recent American atrocities while they remember all the Russian ones.
Thanks to Venezuela it should be clear that there is some reason for keeping the empire together. Of course that doesn’t justify any genociding.
Here, BTW, I want to ask you:
Why do you think the situations of the nations colonized by the Russia would be any worse under US rule? I mean, if they are ever liberated from the Russian rule, I would strongly oppose anything else happening to them than them getting full sovereignty, like for example Algeria did. But even if you are right and they do end up under US, rule, why would that be any worse for the locals than the current Russian rule? I believe it would still be very bad, but much less bad than now. USA was behaving the same towards its colonized native populations some century or 1½ centuries ago as the Russia is behaving to its native populations now, and the native Americans’ situation in contemporary USA is definitely not something to celebrate, but the contemporary USA is nevertheless definitely treating the locals better (or maybe you’d prefer the phrasing: less badly) than the Russia is treating the native populations of territories ruled by it. And I really do think that the US would treat the colonized Siberians much nicer than it treats native Americans
If the Russian colonies somehow end up from Russian rule under US rule, then that’s very sad, but it’s still an improvement for their rights. Why, precisely, are you actually arguing against that?
As written in the other comment, east USA.
That should be worrisome, not reason for hope.
The US is not a white project. The whiteness won’t protect the Asian natives. Whiteness was arbitrarily extended to have a majority identity to supress the rest while not having to share the majority of resources which could be kept to the elite.
Are there native cities like Grosny in the US?
About the same as native Siberians have it now. The behaviour of USA towards indigenous Americans some centuries ago absolutely does fulfil the criteria of genocide. The only difference is that the Russia really got going on that stuff once the railway was built in the native’s lands, in the early 20th century, so it’s an ongoing disaster, not something where the worst parts were done in the past.
This is surprising. Could you care to explain how?
Who are these “people”? I don’t think those are half as many as you think.
Please show recent-ish American atrocities that are at least on the same level as the Russian ones. (Hirošima and Nagasaki do count, but they are not things that people ignore). For the purposes of this conversation it would be good if they were from this century, or at the very latest from 1990’s. When looking at what the Russia is doing now, whatever took place more than half a century ago is not very descriptive by itself, even if it does explain contemporary reactions of people in countries bordering the Russia.
Happy to hear that. You are not an .ml-ie ❤️
Shooting the buffalos to starve them to death.
The treatment of the Ingush comes close but the death marches of the US sound worse.
Overall there are hardly any natives in the east of the US even though that’s the fertile land where they must have lived.
What are the Russian ones? What does top Iraq? All the wars are pushed by the US if you look closely. UAE won’t have acted in Sudan without the US. Congo and Ruanda is for western resources.
Directly in the US I would say that the black prison population and the gerrimandering and school financing can be seen as a genocide. There is also the health care system against the poor.
I am not a fan of discrediting comments for coming from .ml.
Yeah, I noticed already yesterday that it looks similar to the ethnic map of the Russia. But the difference is that USA has toned down its behaviour, the Russia a has not. Shooting the buffalos to starve a nation to death is pretty much Holodomor.
First Chechen war killed 35 000 to 50 000 civilians, the second one something like 25 000 to 35 000. And civilians and soldiers altogether, they were about 150 000 to 300 000 dead in the two Chechen wars. Plus a lot of wounded, and Groznyi got completely levelled in the way Bakhmut was.
And then there are of course the victims of Mariupol, who number in 15 000 to 25 000.
USA’s war in Iraq cost lives of about 25 000 human lives, most of which were civilians. If we add all excess mortality caused by the war, then we get very much higher numbers for both Iraq and Ukraine.
Then, the Russian ones beside these actual big-scale slaughters in Russian-type warfare, there’s the ongoing genocides where people are not murdered, but cultures are eradicated. They were ongoing already in 1990’s, not only now.
But also: There is no good reason in caring about whether USA’s numbers are bigger than those of the Russia. Your neighbour rob and kill five people does not mean you are allowed to rob and kill one person.
USA has done a much smaller amount of evil deeds in the last century or half a century, but even if it had done more, that’s irrelevant. A big bad thing done to bystanders does not mean a smaller bad thing done to bystanders is suddenly okay.
I don’t mean all comments coming from .ml. A lot of people start there and then change for instances where human rights have a meaning. A person is not automatically bad just for being on .ml. If they were, they would be bad even after moving elsewhere, would they not?
But you don’t need to write many times in a community on .ml to notice that their admins’ and moderators’ values are strongly opposed to human rights. I obviously do not appreciate people who support opposers of human rights. I believe in that our thoughts align.
Of course. The difference is that Russia hasn’t pushed the US to do the Iraq war, Syria or Afghanistan. At most it can be said that Russia’s influence on Syria to deny the pipeline from Qatar made the US intervene. That would have maintained the status quo.
For Chechnya I am not sure but the US were fully aware that Ukraine is like Cuba to Russia which btw is also suppression. The intervention of Nuland is documented. The deaths can as well be counted on the US as a sacrifice that they were willing to make.
To white people, if the political influencing in the world and things like the drug pandemic in the US, and Russia, don’t count. The cleansing in Indonesia of Communists was caused by the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_mass_killings_of_1965–66 . A bit more than 50 years, like Bangladesh, but isn’t that enough to make Russia the lesser evil?
I don’t think that they argue against human rights. The problem comes from them arguing that things like the Holodomor were justified.
They align but it’s a trick question. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cairo_Declaration_on_Human_Rights_in_Islam Human rights are not as fundamental as they are presented.
To oppose human rights, there is Guantanamo and the share of the the black prison population. And still, the US remain the champion of human rights.
So… Libya’s population is now fully Italian-speaking? I mean, if Italy was doing the same magnitude of shit with Libyans that the Russia has done to the Mansi, then there are almost no speakers of languages other than Italian left in Libya. And if Italy has been doing something even worse, then that means that all non-Italian culture in Libya has been completely eradicated and the situation of Libyans is more like that of the Bering Aleuts – who no longer exist, ot like that of Mansi.
Good, I’d like to know more of what acts of genocide were committed by Italy in Libya in the 2000’s, please! You seem to be knowledged, so please do enlighten me!
Then there’s Belgium, whose part Rwanda was until July 1962. Yeah, that was evil shit! Not sure if it’s fitting to say “NATO countries” if you mean colonial stuff in early 1960’s and before. But good, here we have an example that is on par with what the Russian Empire, USSR and the Russian Federation have been doing around the 1950’s and 1960’s. I am thankful that Belgium has stopped that, although it will of course not bring the million dead back!
How does the Ukraine war make the Russia the winner in this comparison? Its death toll and the suffering caused by it is of course noteworthy, but it’s a small fraction of what the Russia has been doing. What was being done to Ukrainians until 1991 is much worse than what is going on now.
Which acts of genocide have been committed by Russia in the 2000?
Suppression was bad, but why hand over everything to the empire that segregated blacks till 1965? That’s not much further in the past but should still be more severe than how Ukrainiens are treated in Russia.