Why don’t you actually spend some time reading the sources that he sent you? It’s actually really interesting and I urge you to read it.
I would particularly recommend this video where an American debunks the majority of the lies manufactured by the west, he uses primary sources or sources that link to primary sources in all situations that he can and you can read through his sources if you wish.
It’s the UN Human Rights Council’s Twitter account, you twit.
If you’re expecting corporate media links, you’re out of luck, because just as corporate media are loathe to call what’s happening in Palestine a genocide, they’re loath to call what happened in Xinjiang anything but.
Oh yeah, always that dumb excuse. We only have non reputable links, because anything else is against us. You’re very similar to MAGAts and their Q Anon.
When Ukraine says that it was essentially blackmailed, then they are Nazis.
This thread is now below the fold, the post is a day old, and no one here seems to be buying what you’re selling, so I don’t know why you’re back making more cheap retorts.
Can you please link to the sources that you have decided are not reputable, I am interested in discussing them further. And if you are so certain there is a genocide in Xinjiang china can you provide proof that there is indeed genocide?
Isn’t it odd that the countries that enable genocide and wage war on Muslim countries killing hundreds of thousands in the past decades are somehow very concerned about the welfare of Muslims in China? Even Western-aligned Muslim countries have condemned invasions and war crimes by Western countries, even those with a Western military presence. But somehow they are afraid to condemn China?
not even all muslims in china, just this one specific group of muslims in china. people are often surprised when i tell them china has other muslim ethnic groups…
So on the one hand we have clearly flawed accusations of genocide from a country with a long history of using such accusations to advance it’s own geopolitical goals, fabricated by people who are doing their best to kill Muslims all over the world, but they’re apparently extremely worried about this group for some reason.
On the other hand we have those dastardly conniving Asians who have the support of 72 filthy untrustworthy Muslim countries saying no genocide is occuring.
Oh and all the independent observators who have visited and reported no genocide is ongoing. Don’t believe them? Go for yourself! The region is free to travel.
Yeah real headscratcher. Both sides and so on. Can’t trust anyone.
Have you actually read the report?
It’s based on the account of 6 “anonymous” Uyghurs who were asked how many people were disappeared from their village. This number was then used to extrapolate to represent the entire Uyghur population.
It also argues that children not born, because women have access to contraceptives, are part of the genocide. This is weird because we apparently can’t trust what China says is going on in the region, but we can use their numbers for the region? Okie dokie. Also the Uyghurs were never under the one child policy, which strikes me as counter productive if you wanna genocide a group.
You ever met a Uyghur person? The ones I know have issues with what their people went through in the late-2010s but they’re most definitely still very alive and Uyghur.
He linked you a UN vote where almost all the majority Muslim countries, save for Somalia, voted no or abstained on starting a debate about China’s treatment of the Uyghurs. That’s not China speaking.
Is it not? Surely we don’t have to sit here and pretend that United Nation votes aren’t extremely political. Maybe if we were school children playing model UN we might think that but we should all know better right? We know that geopolitics and trade relations usually define UN resolutions more than actual truth does. It’s one of the major faults of the United Nations.
You’re right, those filthy stupid brown people just don’t know what’s good for them. They’re only voting like that because China forces them to, otherwise they would definitely agree with the US who demonstrably cares about the well-being of Muslims.
What do you mean racism? I’m just following your lead. Can’t trust those heathens to have opinions of their own. It’s really our burden to make sure they make the right decisions.
Edit: sorry, was I not supposed to say the quiet part of your post out loud?
There it is again. Wow you sure went to that really fucking fast. I was talking about trade relations and geopolitics. You jumped right to racism. Funny that. Just on the tip of your tongue I guess…
Ok so when white people say China is committing genocide based on 0 evidence, that’s just Reason and Facts. But when the rest of the world says “hey can we move on from this crap” they’re the ones that are acting based on political reasons, blinded by trade relations and geopolitics?
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, we literally should not be treating anything said by Western Liberals as anything more than the ramblings of a child that knows nothing other than what’s on the TV screen
I truly don’t get what you mean, we’re saying the same thing? These Muslims don’t know what’s good for them, they’re stupid, you can’t trust anything they say. Except when they agree with us of course, because we’re rational and good.
Don’t worry bro, these ugly commie are breaking the racists rule. Shh… we can still bring enlighten democracy to those Chinese peasants who don’t know what’s happening in their own country ;)
Ok, so Poland seems to recognize it and is not in the “core”…
Turkey seems to recognize it and is not in the “core” …
Taiwan seems to recognize it and is not in the “core” …
Ukraine seems to recognize it and is not in the “core” … Ukraine actually said that after they did China threatened to limit trade and block scheduled delivery of 500,000 covid vaccine doses.
Czech Republic seems to recognize it and is not in the “core” …
Actually looking at the countries supporting and not supporting it looks like divide is more between democracies and dictatorships.
Well his map doesn’t match the map in the article he posted. I can also push bunch of random shit that doesn’t agree with each other and then argue the person ignored “evidence”.
You know damn well he is full of shit. You are criticizing one imperialistic country while defending other even more genocidal ones.
No, the genocidal empire is telling you that the non-genocidal nascent socialist power is actually a genocidal empire so that you sit on your hands due to lacking a real alternative.
Russia, by virtue of being run by nationalists that kicked out the western imperialists plundering their country in the 90s, is strategically aligned with the global south against imperialism. The west winning over Russia means the anti-imperialist countries lose a strong ally. What leftists should want is the CPRF taking power, they are the second most powerful party behind United Russia right now and are gaining in support.
Mind you, Turkey “recognize” it because of the government’s Pan-Turanist and Pan-Islamist views, not because they actually care to investigate it. Also every Uighur “defector” any political party -which is almost always the reactionary or conservative ones- brings to speak is actually either a fundamentalist terrorist, or never went to Xinjiang in their lifetime.
Damn, I’d never even heard of Turanism, though I am a little familiar with the debunked 19th century linguistics.
Turanism, also known as Turanianism, pan-Turanism or pan-Turanianism, is a pan-nationalist political movement built around pseudoscientific claims of biological and linguistic connections between various ethnic groups of Eurasia. It revolves around the abandoned proposal of a Ural-Altaic language family, which hypothesizes that the Turkic, Mongolic, Tungusic, and Uralic peoples share Inner and Central Asian origins and therefore close cultural, ethnic, and linguistic bonds. Supporters of Turanism propose political unity among these groups, chiefly to oppose the cultural and political influences of the Indo-Europeans of Europe, West Asia, and South Asia, as well as the Sino-Tibetans of East Asia. The movement emerged in the 19th century to counter pan-nationalist ideologies such as pan-Germanism, and built upon the ideas of pan-Slavism (e.g. the idea of a “Turanian brotherhood and collaboration” was borrowed from the pan-Slavic concept of “Slavic brotherhood and collaboration”).
Why do you think post-Warsaw Pact states like Poland, the Czech Republic, and Ukraine fall in line with what the ruling classes of the richest countries want? Could it be that these countries became completely dominated by the Western IMF/NATO protection racket upon seceding? Could it be that there’s been a concerted effort since the beginning of the Cold War to create a class of liberal and fascist collaborators in these countries with the explicit purpose of defeating communism? Should it be surprising that they’re anticommunist as a result?
Taiwan is probably the most obvious one to choose if I wanted an example of a country (allegedly) with a vested interest in making up human rights violations against China.
And how can you call the side with the US in it democratic?
Ok, the goalposts turned and left us here. What do you want me to say? Looks like Poland, Taiwan, Czechia, Turkey, and Ukraine don’t like China, a phenomenon that I can’t offer an explanation for without being accused of moving the goalposts further.
If there’s something substantial to what you’re saying (hell you never even made a claim, the original comment in this chain wasn’t even specific about what he believed was or wasn’t true about Uyghurs) it’s on you to bring evidence to the table.
Oh, so because they raise awareness of a genocide happening, it means they don’t like them? It originally started that only a small percentage backs it up. Turns out that percentage is much much bigger.
You haven’t actually substantiated the claim that there’s “a genocide happening.” All you’ve done is show that a handful of countries that are aligned with the West wanted to start a debate about China’s human rights violations.
Oh so when a country with one of the biggest Nazi concentrations claims another is run by Nazis then proceeds to invade it country and tries to exterminate its population that’s ok in your mind?
That’s very ahem “non Nazi” way of looking at things.
Looks like you aren’t really supporting communism you are just supporting terrorizing people with tanks. The word “tankie” couldn’t be any truer.
This is ridiculous, lmao. It was the neo-Nazi Banderite regime in Kiev that was ethnically cleansing Russians, murdering 13,000 civilians over the course of a decade of shelling. Russia went in to support Donetsk and Luhansk at their request. Russia isn’t exterminating anyone.
You have a serious problem with believing seemingly every lie the west tells about its adversaries.
You’re saying that Russia and China is anti-imperialistic? One actively is trying to exterminated a country and another is preparing to do the same likely in 2027.
Lol, it’s hilarious that western shitlibs have so little to base their accusations of imperialism against china on that they have to start appealing to things that haven’t even happened, but which they swear will.
Well ok; Ukraine is preparing to exterminate the entire human race twice over in 2027, so actually Ukraine is the most imperialist power.
You’re saying that Russia and China is anti-imperialistic?
Yes: China by virtue of being socialist and Russia by present circumstances. Previously:
Russia is an interesting case: it has already liberated itself from the post-Soviet “shock therapy” neocolonizers. This occurred during Putin’s administration, which is why he is especially hated by the US.
But Russia isn’t trying to “liberate” Ukraine, at least not all of Ukraine. It’s trying to resolve the genocidal attacks on the people of the Donbas, and it’s trying to resolve the imperialist military expansion at its border.
One actively is trying to exterminated a country
Despite the last three years of propaganda to the contrary, Russia is not trying to exterminate Ukraine[1][2].
another is preparing to do the same likely in 2027.
First of all, if you ask most countries, including the ROC, the PRC, and the USA, Taiwan is still a part of China. This is considered an internal matter by both, and is a consequence of China’s civil war being interrupted at the cusp of its conclusion, when the remnants of the fascist KMT had retreated to the Formosa/Taiwan.
Second of all, China doesn’t want to attack Taiwan if it can at all avoid it. Otherwise it would have done it already. China has the patience to wait out a long, slow process of integration. It has nothing to gain by attacking those who it considers its own people. Until recently, the US had been hoping to goad China into an attack, in order to destabilize China. But I think the US now realizes that it doesn’t have the capability to succeed.
Russia and China are both anti-imperialist countries. Russia is run by nationalists that kicked out the western imperialists that were plundering their country in the 90s, and are thus anti-imperialist strategically. China is a socialist country, and has no financial oligarchy. Because of this, it has been the most important player in undermining imperialism globally, and providing an alternative to bypass unequal exchange.
It isn’t the US or EU that countries in the global south go towards in breaking free of the cycle of underdevelopment, it’s Russia and China. Russia isn’t exterminating anyone, and China isn’t preparing to do that either. You have a very chauvanistic view of the enemies of the west, as though you can’t accept that their villians aren’t as evil as them.
Those countries are in the core or the semi-periphery, depending on who you ask. They’re in the liminal space between the core and the periphery. They have “favored vassal” status, and won’t bite the hand that feeds them.
Says who? China?
Why don’t you actually spend some time reading the sources that he sent you? It’s actually really interesting and I urge you to read it.
I would particularly recommend this video where an American debunks the majority of the lies manufactured by the west, he uses primary sources or sources that link to primary sources in all situations that he can and you can read through his sources if you wish.
Just a bunch of Twitter, substacks etc. as much reputable as comments here.
It’s the UN Human Rights Council’s Twitter account, you twit.
If you’re expecting corporate media links, you’re out of luck, because just as corporate media are loathe to call what’s happening in Palestine a genocide, they’re loath to call what happened in Xinjiang anything but.
Please develop some actual media literacy.
Oh yeah, always that dumb excuse. We only have non reputable links, because anything else is against us. You’re very similar to MAGAts and their Q Anon.
When Ukraine says that it was essentially blackmailed, then they are Nazis.
yawn are you done? You’re making no sense, you have no leg to stand on, and frankly, your debating style is plain boring
And you haven’t provided anything at all
This thread is now below the fold, the post is a day old, and no one here seems to be buying what you’re selling, so I don’t know why you’re back making more cheap retorts.
Tbf, I just saw their comment and just trying to troll them until they leave
They can’t see your comments, dbzer0 is defederated from Grad.
Can you please link to the sources that you have decided are not reputable, I am interested in discussing them further. And if you are so certain there is a genocide in Xinjiang china can you provide proof that there is indeed genocide?
So, at least as reputable as anything you say then.
Says the OIC.
Isn’t it odd that the countries that enable genocide and wage war on Muslim countries killing hundreds of thousands in the past decades are somehow very concerned about the welfare of Muslims in China? Even Western-aligned Muslim countries have condemned invasions and war crimes by Western countries, even those with a Western military presence. But somehow they are afraid to condemn China?
not even all muslims in china, just this one specific group of muslims in china. people are often surprised when i tell them china has other muslim ethnic groups…
Better not tell China or they’ll melt them all into tofu dreg. /s
So on the one hand we have clearly flawed accusations of genocide from a country with a long history of using such accusations to advance it’s own geopolitical goals, fabricated by people who are doing their best to kill Muslims all over the world, but they’re apparently extremely worried about this group for some reason.
On the other hand we have those dastardly conniving Asians who have the support of 72 filthy untrustworthy Muslim countries saying no genocide is occuring.
Oh and all the independent observators who have visited and reported no genocide is ongoing. Don’t believe them? Go for yourself! The region is free to travel.
Yeah real headscratcher. Both sides and so on. Can’t trust anyone.
Have you actually read the report?
It’s based on the account of 6 “anonymous” Uyghurs who were asked how many people were disappeared from their village. This number was then used to extrapolate to represent the entire Uyghur population.
It also argues that children not born, because women have access to contraceptives, are part of the genocide. This is weird because we apparently can’t trust what China says is going on in the region, but we can use their numbers for the region? Okie dokie. Also the Uyghurs were never under the one child policy, which strikes me as counter productive if you wanna genocide a group.
Who says they’re being genocided? America?
You ever met a Uyghur person? The ones I know have issues with what their people went through in the late-2010s but they’re most definitely still very alive and Uyghur.
They clearly answered that in their post, you lazy chud
He linked you a UN vote where almost all the majority Muslim countries, save for Somalia, voted no or abstained on starting a debate about China’s treatment of the Uyghurs. That’s not China speaking.
Is it not? Surely we don’t have to sit here and pretend that United Nation votes aren’t extremely political. Maybe if we were school children playing model UN we might think that but we should all know better right? We know that geopolitics and trade relations usually define UN resolutions more than actual truth does. It’s one of the major faults of the United Nations.
You’re right, those filthy stupid brown people just don’t know what’s good for them. They’re only voting like that because China forces them to, otherwise they would definitely agree with the US who demonstrably cares about the well-being of Muslims.
Wow you sure went from 0 to scary racism really fast.
They’re mocking you; you and your rascism
What do you mean racism? I’m just following your lead. Can’t trust those heathens to have opinions of their own. It’s really our burden to make sure they make the right decisions.
Edit: sorry, was I not supposed to say the quiet part of your post out loud?
How dare you, in the west you should be racist as long as you absolutely don’t say it at loud.
We wouldn’t want to openly shame our precious westerners who bring democracyTM to these uncultured savages, would we?
There it is again. Wow you sure went to that really fucking fast. I was talking about trade relations and geopolitics. You jumped right to racism. Funny that. Just on the tip of your tongue I guess…
Ok so when white people say China is committing genocide based on 0 evidence, that’s just Reason and Facts. But when the rest of the world says “hey can we move on from this crap” they’re the ones that are acting based on political reasons, blinded by trade relations and geopolitics?
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, we literally should not be treating anything said by Western Liberals as anything more than the ramblings of a child that knows nothing other than what’s on the TV screen
I truly don’t get what you mean, we’re saying the same thing? These Muslims don’t know what’s good for them, they’re stupid, you can’t trust anything they say. Except when they agree with us of course, because we’re rational and good.
Whatever you say David Duke.
Don’t worry bro, these ugly commie are breaking the racists rule. Shh… we can still bring enlighten democracy to those Chinese peasants who don’t know what’s happening in their own country ;)
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Says everyone but the imperial core, which represents ~12% of the world:
The media that have lied about Palestine are the very same media who lied about Xinjiang.
📺 You’re Not immune To propaganda
aka places aliens are allowed to attack in Hollywood films
Ok, so Poland seems to recognize it and is not in the “core”…
Turkey seems to recognize it and is not in the “core” …
Taiwan seems to recognize it and is not in the “core” …
Ukraine seems to recognize it and is not in the “core” … Ukraine actually said that after they did China threatened to limit trade and block scheduled delivery of 500,000 covid vaccine doses.
Czech Republic seems to recognize it and is not in the “core” …
Actually looking at the countries supporting and not supporting it looks like divide is more between democracies and dictatorships.
Czech Republic and Poland is on the map. Also if you’re gonna be talking about what is and isn’t “in the core” you gotta actually read the literature
I used links provided.
Poland is literally on that map you illiterate fucking chud
Well his map doesn’t match the map in the article he posted. I can also push bunch of random shit that doesn’t agree with each other and then argue the person ignored “evidence”.
You know damn well he is full of shit. You are criticizing one imperialistic country while defending other even more genocidal ones.
No, the genocidal empire is telling you that the non-genocidal nascent socialist power is actually a genocidal empire so that you sit on your hands due to lacking a real alternative.
Every country on earth is a dictatorship: either a dictatorship of the rich or a dictatorship of the proletariat
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I dunno, I don’t live in Russia, why should I align with them?
Russia, by virtue of being run by nationalists that kicked out the western imperialists plundering their country in the 90s, is strategically aligned with the global south against imperialism. The west winning over Russia means the anti-imperialist countries lose a strong ally. What leftists should want is the CPRF taking power, they are the second most powerful party behind United Russia right now and are gaining in support.
Mind you, Turkey “recognize” it because of the government’s Pan-Turanist and Pan-Islamist views, not because they actually care to investigate it. Also every Uighur “defector” any political party -which is almost always the reactionary or conservative ones- brings to speak is actually either a fundamentalist terrorist, or never went to Xinjiang in their lifetime.
Source: I am Turkish.
Damn, I’d never even heard of Turanism, though I am a little familiar with the debunked 19th century linguistics.
Come to Turkey, it is very popular among our nationalists (about 60% of the population), because Atatürk said it is real.
Why do you think post-Warsaw Pact states like Poland, the Czech Republic, and Ukraine fall in line with what the ruling classes of the richest countries want? Could it be that these countries became completely dominated by the Western IMF/NATO protection racket upon seceding? Could it be that there’s been a concerted effort since the beginning of the Cold War to create a class of liberal and fascist collaborators in these countries with the explicit purpose of defeating communism? Should it be surprising that they’re anticommunist as a result?
Taiwan is probably the most obvious one to choose if I wanted an example of a country (allegedly) with a vested interest in making up human rights violations against China.
And how can you call the side with the US in it democratic?
Why are you changing goal posts? Looks like it is more countries than “the core”.
Ukraine also showed how China pressured everyone to not vote yes.
Ok, the goalposts turned and left us here. What do you want me to say? Looks like Poland, Taiwan, Czechia, Turkey, and Ukraine don’t like China, a phenomenon that I can’t offer an explanation for without being accused of moving the goalposts further.
If there’s something substantial to what you’re saying (hell you never even made a claim, the original comment in this chain wasn’t even specific about what he believed was or wasn’t true about Uyghurs) it’s on you to bring evidence to the table.
Oh, so because they raise awareness of a genocide happening, it means they don’t like them? It originally started that only a small percentage backs it up. Turns out that percentage is much much bigger.
Imperialist states don’t give a rat’s ass about Uyghurs any more than they do about Palestinians.
They’re not “raising awareness.” They’re pumping out anti-China propaganda, because China is now their greatest enemy. The cold war never ended.
You haven’t actually substantiated the claim that there’s “a genocide happening.” All you’ve done is show that a handful of countries that are aligned with the West wanted to start a debate about China’s human rights violations.
Ukraine has a government run by Nazis allowing pogroms of ethnic minorities in its borders they are not a reliable source.
Oh so when a country with one of the biggest Nazi concentrations claims another is run by Nazis then proceeds to invade it country and tries to exterminate its population that’s ok in your mind?
That’s very ahem “non Nazi” way of looking at things.
Looks like you aren’t really supporting communism you are just supporting terrorizing people with tanks. The word “tankie” couldn’t be any truer.
what
Stop feeding the bot. downvote, report, and move on
This is ridiculous, lmao. It was the neo-Nazi Banderite regime in Kiev that was ethnically cleansing Russians, murdering 13,000 civilians over the course of a decade of shelling. Russia went in to support Donetsk and Luhansk at their request. Russia isn’t exterminating anyone.
You have a serious problem with believing seemingly every lie the west tells about its adversaries.
Correct, the dividing line is between Democracy and Autocracy,
between the Garden and the Jungle,
between the imperialists and the anti-imperialists.
You’re saying that Russia and China is anti-imperialistic? One actively is trying to exterminated a country and another is preparing to do the same likely in 2027.
Wrong on all accounts. Educate yourself
Lol, it’s hilarious that western shitlibs have so little to base their accusations of imperialism against china on that they have to start appealing to things that haven’t even happened, but which they swear will.
Well ok; Ukraine is preparing to exterminate the entire human race twice over in 2027, so actually Ukraine is the most imperialist power.
Yes: China by virtue of being socialist and Russia by present circumstances. Previously:
Despite the last three years of propaganda to the contrary, Russia is not trying to exterminate Ukraine[1][2].
First of all, if you ask most countries, including the ROC, the PRC, and the USA, Taiwan is still a part of China. This is considered an internal matter by both, and is a consequence of China’s civil war being interrupted at the cusp of its conclusion, when the remnants of the fascist KMT had retreated to the Formosa/Taiwan.
Second of all, China doesn’t want to attack Taiwan if it can at all avoid it. Otherwise it would have done it already. China has the patience to wait out a long, slow process of integration. It has nothing to gain by attacking those who it considers its own people. Until recently, the US had been hoping to goad China into an attack, in order to destabilize China. But I think the US now realizes that it doesn’t have the capability to succeed.
Lol
Lol indeed; you’ve got nothing.
Russia and China are both anti-imperialist countries. Russia is run by nationalists that kicked out the western imperialists that were plundering their country in the 90s, and are thus anti-imperialist strategically. China is a socialist country, and has no financial oligarchy. Because of this, it has been the most important player in undermining imperialism globally, and providing an alternative to bypass unequal exchange.
It isn’t the US or EU that countries in the global south go towards in breaking free of the cycle of underdevelopment, it’s Russia and China. Russia isn’t exterminating anyone, and China isn’t preparing to do that either. You have a very chauvanistic view of the enemies of the west, as though you can’t accept that their villians aren’t as evil as them.
Those countries are in the core or the semi-periphery, depending on who you ask. They’re in the liminal space between the core and the periphery. They have “favored vassal” status, and won’t bite the hand that feeds them.
Turkes does not recognize it afaik
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