Sorry if thia type of question isn’t allowed, I tried on AskPolitics as well but that comm looks mega dead so I’m x-posting here

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Forgive me if I’m woefully misunderstanding how this all works.

If the government is shut down, and they can’t reach an agreement to open it back up, what happens?

Short term? What does it look like in the coming weeks to months if no agreement is reached?

Mid-Term? Within the next year, if things are still all shut down, what happens to things like trade, tax payments, public services?

Long-term? If, worst case scenario, the divisions between the parties with power have grown so though they can’t ever reach an agreement: what happens then? Is it an anarchist state? Do we have new coup attempts to take power? Does the US balkanize?

I’m not meaning to inject any sort of bias in my line of questions, I hope I haven’t led anyone to any specific conclusions.

  • Dessalines@lemmy.ml
    6·
    2 hours ago

    The long term is typically what happens to empires like Rome or Britain: a slow, whiny, unstable decline into obscurity until everyone eventually leaves.

    Rome had so many civil wars, imperial overextension, political instability, famines, and an inability to cope with disasters, that by the time it fell, it hollowed out to like < 1% of its peak population.

    /end doomposting

  • mesa@piefed.socialEnglish
    10·
    1 hour ago

    Well California is just making their own equivalent of federal programs. So if you are on the west coast you are doing better than most.

  • humanspiral@lemmy.ca
    1·
    41 minutes ago

    You could ask your state/cities (those with income taxes like NYC) to undertake a federal tax strike where all taxes are owed to local jurisdiction, and all payroll exemptions are directed to the local jurisdiction.

  • Che Banana@beehaw.org
    3·
    1 hour ago

    There won’t be a long term. The mid term would see enough people out of work or without resources for food/shelter etc that they will resort to alternative means of acquiring resources which will then give the administration the excuse it needs to enact martial law

    …and that will be that

  • Korhaka@sopuli.xyzEnglish
    6·
    2 hours ago

    Long term you should probably come up with a system that doesn’t fail like this by something like a government shutdown…

    • jimmux@programming.dev
      1·
      1 hour ago

      In Westminster-like systems, I believe this would be loss of supply, where it’s expected to trigger an election. It seems to work well as an incentive for governments to do their bloody job, but I’m sure they would find a way to abuse or ignore it.

  • Doomsider@lemmy.world
    14·
    3 hours ago

    If you have conservative reps you could try calling and writing their office and demand they compromise on health care. With enough pressure they will cave.

    If you have progressive reps call and congratulate them and tell them not to stop until the conservatives start participating in governance

    Many of your later questions would rely on too much conjecture to answer. The simple truth is this unprecedented and we don’t know what is going to happen.

    I share many of your concerns as many people here do.

    • hddsx@lemmy.ca
      2·
      2 hours ago

      I have a conservative rep and I’ve thought about writing to them - but not for the reasons you state.

      My plea would be to replace the speaker as the House isn’t working but they are getting paid. Even if the senate comes to some compromise, it still needs to be passed by the house IIRC.