The issue of China and Russia seeking to destabilize European countries should not be equated with accusing and crushing every protest movement as being funded by either. Incidentally the movements where that is actually known, Fascists and other far-right are getting a rather light treatment, even though their ties to Russia and China are well known, such as with the AfD in Germany and related movements.
Going back to Palestine, Israel has a rather ambiguous relationship with Russia and happily throws European countries under the bus, if it servers their own interests. For instance Israel supplied Russia with surveillance drones after Russia annexed Crimea and started to have “green men” appear in Donetsk and Lushansk. Israel also wanted Russia to keep a military presence in Syria, and even told the Ukrainian government behind closed doors it should just surrender to Russia.
So governments like in the UK or Germany are helping Russia triplefold. First by supporting Israel against EU interests, then by eroding civil rights with authoritarian crackdowns as well as supporting Israeli war crimes, thereby legitimizing Russias brutal regime and finally by continuously strengthening the Fascists that are back by Russia.
Instead of addressing these issues, people who protest against that are brandished and repressed under the guise of fighting Russian influence, which is a transparent lie, once you look at the whole picture.
The issue of China and Russia seeking to destabilize European countries should not be equated with accusing and crushing every protest movement
No one has ‘equated’ anything here. This is your interpretation.
There is also reason why you permanently raise Palestine/Israel if someone says that Russia and China are biggest threats to Europe. This amounts to whataboutism.
You appear to counter any argument always with the Israel’s genocide in Palestine. Whatever one says, you come up with this single point. This amounts to propaganda.
people who care about human rights, climate change or want their governments not to engage in severe crimes are painted as “foreign agents” in order to not address the question, why the UK and other governments are engaged in severe crimes.
People who care about human rights and climate change are indeed often painted as “foreign agents” - but this happens in Russia. The Kremlin’s list of banned organizations has been growing steadily and includes even the non-existent LGBQ movement.
You turn things upside down here.
Europe has certainly formidable problems. But it must be clearly said that Russia and China are the greatest threats to Western democracies. Russia attempted genocide in Ukraine, China’s decisive support, massive disinformation campaigns by these dictatorships, election interference, Moscow and Beijing’s support of European far-right (and far-left) parties, cyber attacks, arson attacks and other sabotage acts - there is strong evidence.
Russia and China are the biggest threats to Europe.
Someone claimed that the problems of the EU would be “foreign”. I showed that many of these problems are domestic. As i have shown by causing these problems the EU governments are knowingly and willfully strengthening those parts of society that actually are known to cooperate with Russia and China to destabilize the countries.
Meanwhile the protest groups that are criminalized as “foreign agents” such as Palestine Action are actually defending supposed EU/European values and laws against criminal governments breaking these laws. The same values and laws that are supposed to differentiate European countries from authoritarian countries like Russia and China.
All of the domestic problems you mentioned are results of Russian information operations. Some almost completely, some by a small part.
But all of those problems would be lesser without Russian interference. Especially regarding the far right. Just like the Russia was funding Ukraine’s far right until 2014 when it bit the feeding hand, it has been doing the same in EU and is doing it to this day.
AfD is a Russian project.
All of the things will remain impossible to solve as long as the Russia has as much to say on EU politics as it does.
So, you agree with the other commenter that china and russia are funding destabilisation in european countries?
The issue of China and Russia seeking to destabilize European countries should not be equated with accusing and crushing every protest movement as being funded by either. Incidentally the movements where that is actually known, Fascists and other far-right are getting a rather light treatment, even though their ties to Russia and China are well known, such as with the AfD in Germany and related movements.
Going back to Palestine, Israel has a rather ambiguous relationship with Russia and happily throws European countries under the bus, if it servers their own interests. For instance Israel supplied Russia with surveillance drones after Russia annexed Crimea and started to have “green men” appear in Donetsk and Lushansk. Israel also wanted Russia to keep a military presence in Syria, and even told the Ukrainian government behind closed doors it should just surrender to Russia.
So governments like in the UK or Germany are helping Russia triplefold. First by supporting Israel against EU interests, then by eroding civil rights with authoritarian crackdowns as well as supporting Israeli war crimes, thereby legitimizing Russias brutal regime and finally by continuously strengthening the Fascists that are back by Russia.
Instead of addressing these issues, people who protest against that are brandished and repressed under the guise of fighting Russian influence, which is a transparent lie, once you look at the whole picture.
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No one has ‘equated’ anything here. This is your interpretation.
There is also reason why you permanently raise Palestine/Israel if someone says that Russia and China are biggest threats to Europe. This amounts to whataboutism.
You appear to counter any argument always with the Israel’s genocide in Palestine. Whatever one says, you come up with this single point. This amounts to propaganda.
People who care about human rights and climate change are indeed often painted as “foreign agents” - but this happens in Russia. The Kremlin’s list of banned organizations has been growing steadily and includes even the non-existent LGBQ movement.
You turn things upside down here.
Europe has certainly formidable problems. But it must be clearly said that Russia and China are the greatest threats to Western democracies. Russia attempted genocide in Ukraine, China’s decisive support, massive disinformation campaigns by these dictatorships, election interference, Moscow and Beijing’s support of European far-right (and far-left) parties, cyber attacks, arson attacks and other sabotage acts - there is strong evidence.
Russia and China are the biggest threats to Europe.
Someone claimed that the problems of the EU would be “foreign”. I showed that many of these problems are domestic. As i have shown by causing these problems the EU governments are knowingly and willfully strengthening those parts of society that actually are known to cooperate with Russia and China to destabilize the countries.
Meanwhile the protest groups that are criminalized as “foreign agents” such as Palestine Action are actually defending supposed EU/European values and laws against criminal governments breaking these laws. The same values and laws that are supposed to differentiate European countries from authoritarian countries like Russia and China.
All of the domestic problems you mentioned are results of Russian information operations. Some almost completely, some by a small part.
But all of those problems would be lesser without Russian interference. Especially regarding the far right. Just like the Russia was funding Ukraine’s far right until 2014 when it bit the feeding hand, it has been doing the same in EU and is doing it to this day.
AfD is a Russian project.
All of the things will remain impossible to solve as long as the Russia has as much to say on EU politics as it does.
I see the issue now