• mienshao@lemm.ee
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    The alt-left is STILL pulling the “both sides are the same” shit. We will NEVER escape fascism. Like buckle in because the left is not fucking comprehending the massive scale of the difference between corrupt MAGA and corrupt Dems. Yalls are just not fucking getting it. Yalls are still just mad and punishing Dems for their awful, unconscionable Gaza policy (not defending it), but yalls literally put the final nail in American democracy cuz of a single foreign policy issue. Fucked over all LGBTQ people, all disabled folks, women’s rights, immigrant’s right, DEIA programs. As I watch my trans family continue to get targeted and killed, I will NEVER forget the “both sides” leftists who hung us out to dry. Fuck yalls.

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      When a neighbor to one side of your home actively participates is genocidal intent, and the other neighbor in the other side also does the same but he smiles at you and even lends you a cup of sugar when needed… I am sorry, but there is no “lesser evil” here… I will vote for anyone but any of them, even if there is no chance it will make a difference now!

      However… that is not a ‘wasted’ vote, but actually an extremely important one… although for a longer term, for following elections. If Democrats see that they loose an election because they loose 3% of typical votes to a third party, they will try to accommodate the concerns of that 3% next time around. If that 3% keeps voting Democrats, there is no incentive to change. The same applies for the Republican side. If the big political parties don’t address that still, magic can happen, out of the blue, that 3% can become a 13% movement and donations start coming and in two or three years you have a chance of introducing a capable third party… either way is a win.

      No voting, in theory, should have a similar wake-up power as a vote for a third party, but in reality it does not… in the mind of politicians it a much costlier vote to get to it ends usually dismissed as a lost cause; they don’t take much reading into 25% or 45% absentee vote… but 1% vote loss to the other side or a third party is watched as a hack, specially in highly polarized elections when it is hard to compensate that 1% loss with voters from the other side!

      So mark what is your critical red lines and if no major party respects them, do vote for anyone, anyone that does, no mater how small… don’t try to do short-term political engineering since political parties have thousands of people far more capable than any of us at doing political engineering and start throwing around catchphrases such as “lesser evil” or that the other side is “fascist/communist” that is solely designed to leave you parallelized.

      Finally, it is the problem of political deception. When it is so blatant in both sides, the same principle applies, vote for anyone, anyone that has not lied on your red lines so far, make your mark that you are sick of deceptions so politicians know they have to address it. Again, don’t try to find the lesser evil while indicating your neighbor that smiles at you, that you are okay tolerating with his crimes and deceptions.

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      19 hours ago

      “yalls”

      And it’s impossible to read this comment without concluding that you simply don’t see Palestinians as fully human.

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      Fascism and liberalism are not distinct ideologies, but the same ideology in different circumstances. Liberalism is the nice mask, fascism is the brutal one, and Capitalism will use whichever the bourgoeisie feels is necessary to maintain control and profits.

      Critiquing liberalism is a “left” thing, not an “alt-left” thing, and I don’t even know what that means.

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        Alt-left means “I’m a liberal co-opting the word ‘leftist’ to to pigeonhole leftists out of ‘conventional politics’ (picking the current flavor of liberalism)”

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      Nowhere in this meme does it say that “both sides are the same”. It’s (correctly) showing how both parties don’t give a shit about the working class.

      Republicans are horrible but you can’t expect the Democrats to save or help you from them after we have tons of evidence showing they will also break strikes, pass right wing immigration laws, attack protesters, support genocide, and do almost nothing to stop rising fascism.

      Also trying to diminish supplying and funding a genocide to just “a single foreign policy issue” is pretty fucked up and not even accurate. Leftists were willing to overlook hundreds of issues we had with Kamala as a candidate if she could just do the bare fucking minimum of not actively funding and supplying a genocide and she couldn’t even do that.

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    Funny how every time the GIOP does something awful we see a lot of BoTh SIdes ArE The SAMe memes.

    No actual plans or ideas, but lots of memes telling people not to vote.

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      Both sides are complicit in genocide. Sure, technically both sides aren’t the same, but once you get to that level you’re splitting hairs.

      While those of us who are wealthier like to make fun of poor people who vote for Republicans because they’re the pro-corporate candidate, strictly speaking they’re just the ones who are honest about it. LGBT rights, immigrant rights, and the rule of law are important but they’re also mirages. The democrats sold out LGBT people and immigrants as soon as they saw it wasn’t helping them (that isn’t to say it was hurting them, just not helping), and the rule of law has barely been a thing for a while in America.

      Obama double-tapped children using drones, so he could get the paramedics too.

      America is a unique country. One where the left-wing party has become the right, and vice-versa. As a result the supposed left-wing party in the Democrats is built on a foundation of slavery. That can’t be repaired without a miracle.

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        So now the genocide in Gaza has been ramped up exponentially, plus the genocide in Ukraine is getting worse.

        Are you saying you don’t understand the difference between bad and much, much worse?

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      leftists offer plenty of solutions starting with unionization. and much more depending on which poison you pick.

      first things first though you need to notice you won’t be able to vote fascism away.

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            You just fucking said you can’t vote away fascism. So if fascism is already here, which it is, you’re saying it can’t be voted away, which HEAVILY implies that one shouldn’t vote cuz it’s pointless; fascism can’t be voted away, so why vote?

            Do you need any other explanations, you obtuse jackass pretending not to know how language works?

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      Is the response for “if was Kamala nothing of this would happen”.

      “The strongest, most lethal fighting force in the world.” would do the same fucking shit

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      Have an upvote. Both sides are not the same. Anyone who can’t distinguish between them is seriously not fully operational.

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      The result of not voting sits in the White House. In politics there is no silent majority.

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          Billonairs and stupid MAGA workers are the minority and always vote right wings, but they turn to a mayority if the left working class don’t vote. Simple Math.

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            you missed the point. democrats are not leftists and will be just as bad.

            don’t blame leftists for how fascists coopt an electoral system in their favour.

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              I know that the US voting system is a crap and that there don’t exist a real keft party, Democrats there are a conservative neoliberal party and Republicans are direct a Fascist one. But even so between the bad and the worse, voting the worse don’t make sensem less if it is done for the second time. Anyway for me as an European it’s impossible to understand why this criminal asshole is in the WhiteHouse and not in Jail since tears ago. In the last US election you could hear out of the US worldwide the sound of a violent facepalm.

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                leftists aren’t really voting for trump though. most leftists i know vote for the lesser evil, but with the consciousness it ain’t doing much.

                it’s impossible to understand why this criminal asshole is in the WhiteHouse and not in Jail since tears ago

                the way fascism coopts the masses and capitalism lets it, thats literally fascism running its course. its been documented throughout history.

                it comes up when capitalism is in crisis and the people aren’t aware of the class war being fought against them. part of that comes from thinking politics is just voting for the lesser evil.

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        Thank you. You’re going to get a lot of nonsense where people keep telling you that voting is meaningless. Don’t listen.