• burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world
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    22 hours ago

    i dont feel the cost and waste of all the rocket launches and debris justifies remote areas having satellite Internet

      • Ohmmy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        7 hours ago

        This is a really weird “ends always justify the means” because I could also say it wouldn’t be necessary if Ukraine never gave up their nuclear weapons and how I doubt the Ukrainians would disagree. This is also further impacted by the protection of Starlink by the US military because if it wasn’t an act of war against the US to destroy them, Russia could take down low earth orbit satellites pretty easily.

        But none of this is relevant to how Starlink is not an ISP, it is not infrastructure it is a fleeting wasteful service.

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          5 hours ago

          From what I understand the Ukrainians never had control of the nukes, they didn’t actually have the launch codes to use them.

          Regardless, having global access to the internet is great. Ask the people living in remote areas of the Amazon, no chance for them to get fiber, or Africa, or remote islands, or ships/airplanes.

          If youre speaking of rural America not needing starlink because fiber is a thing, then you should broaden your horizons

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            19 minutes ago

            I love how you completely ignore how starlink is only viable for ukraine because the US military industrial complex.

            There was satellite internet before Starlink and Starlink should be banned for all the 5ghz interference it creates

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      19 hours ago

      I think if you consider the cost to manufacture then bury a fibre optic cable for everyone who lives 10km from a town centre, I think it’s still a net positive. It’s not great for sure, but amortised over a huge population it’s probably the best option we have at this time.

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        17 hours ago

        Only short term, long term the repeated rocket launches can’t win out over a ditch digger.

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                3 hours ago

                Fair enough, you got me there. Didn’t realize there was such a population of internet craving people in what’s supposed to be one of the last relatively untouched areas of nature on the planet.

                That being the case though, why didn’t this all happen in 2013, when O3b launched to specifically solve this problem for them? It’s still running, by the way, after several rounds of upgrades, and significantly more stable than Starlink with their dinky little 5 year disposables. Microsoft, Honeywell and Amazon all use it. But the original and ongoing intent of the project was explicitly to bring internet access to all otherwise unreachable areas, such as islands, deep in Africa, and the open ocean.

                I don’t oppose Brazilian villagers having internet if they want it, but the situation in which it arrived to them feels suspect to me. I have no proof that Starlink actively went out and pushed internet service onto them like a drug dealer but it would not be out of character for Musk and his subordinates to do so, and that just feels bad.

                Regardless there is already an existing solution to this. If you want internet in the Amazon you can use satellite internet. It does not have to be Starlink. If you want good internet, maybe don’t live in the Amazon. People in general should probably be leaving that place alone. The article you linked even talks about one of the village leaders splitting his time between the village and the city. We can try and run a fiber line to Manaus and/or Porto Velho and that should be able to serve a reasonably large enough area around them, but even if that fails there are already other solutions.