The ol’ plucked chicken bit, classic!
There’s really only one rational way to discuss this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_differentiation_in_humans
One of the more interesting aspects of this:
Most mammals, including humans, have an XY sex-determination system: the Y chromosome carries factors responsible for triggering male development. In the absence of a Y chromosome, the fetus will undergo female development.
Female sexual development is kind of the fail-safe option; male development depends on the presence of the Y chromosome.
For example in Turner syndrome (45,X0) a fetus develops with only the X chromosome (and only 45 of the typical 46). This always presents as sexually female.
But then that’s not always true because there’s XX male syndrome, in which a 46,XX individual develops male sexual characteristics.
Genetics gets progressively weirder: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_chromosome_anomalies
Many cases of these anomalies do not present significant health concerns and therefore are rarely identified (for instance, triple X syndrome (47,XXX)), which means that it’s likely that anomalies are more common than what is represented in the recorded data. We simply don’t have complete karyotype records for everyone born on the planet.
Basically, biology laughs at attempts to define strict categories. All we can really do is define what is most typical, and what is atypical, and of the atypical cases it’s the ones that present health concerns which receive the most study. There is a lot of gray area.
And all of that only covers human sexual differentiation. Other mammals are generally similar (using the XY system), but have not been studied to the same depth as human genetics (because healthcare). And of course there are other systems.
So the original point is valid - “biological female” is at best a vague category with fuzzy edges and weird overlaps, with “normal” defined by statistical representation more than specific characteristics. Reality is too complicated to fit in neat boxes.
Fun fact about Italian politics: in the Veneto region (where Venice is) the governor for the past 4 years was a super right wing guy (Zaia) that always won elections with like 90% in favour.
During his last term at some point he vouched in favour of opening a new sex change clinic in the region, bringing forth a lot of criticism from the right and his party. But this guy has a degree in agricultural science, and at a Press conference he started an argument about biology and how sex is not always a clear cut and things aren’t that simple in the real world.
Then everyone started joking about how maybe he was about to come out as leftist, and he had to clarify “no guys, I’m not leftist, I just need to take care of everyone’s rights, I’m everyone’s governor, independently of gender or sexual identity”. Bear in mind that this is all coming from a guy that during the COVID pandemic said on live TV “of course it was the Chinese, we all saw them eating live rats” (direct quote, translated).
Anyway it was funny. The leader of his party (Salvini) instead said “I think they shouldn’t approve it, I for one will never need it” and the joke was that if he became governor and you got breast cancer that’s tough luck for you because Salvini will never need breast surgery.
Male breast cancer exists, though.
Based only on that picture, the egg carton can be labeled as a Woman. It was born with the intention and capability for only holding eggs.
You could argue it wasn’t born.
I would also argue that no creature is born with any intention. Though if we give this person a wide brush of grace and interpret that to mean "the biological predisposition under normal functionality of carrying eggs"you’d still have to define what normal functionality is, and go on to define what specific conditions qualify as different than normal functionality.
And even then it seems like we’re really doing some gymnastics for what feels like a really arbitrary set of boundaries for what reason? Try as I might I can’t imagine a way my life has been impacted by the existence of people who’s biological and psychological gender don’t exactly match, or their expression thereof.
I can think of a lot of dudes who put in a lot of effort to make their bodies look or act a certain way. I’m sure plenty of them have some dysphoria. Why do we give a shit when some people who want their body to look a way but not others?
intention
Lea, you absolute dumbass,…
Diogenes has entered the gender wars?
Steppin out of the barrel!
The English language is not sufficient enough to describe biological gender without making broad generalizations.
Even if there did exist words in the English language to define it without generalization, you’d still run into the problem of much of it being arbitrary.
Virtually any logical justification you can concoct for putting an intersex person in one box or the other can be used to justify putting trans women into the “woman” box. They have simply arbitrarily stipulated that trans women do not belong in the “woman” box and are working backwards from that conclusion.
Seriously, ask one of these chucklefucks how they’d define a person born with XY Chromosomes that has Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome? They short circuit and default to some variation of “that doesn’t matter.”
Because it’s arbitrarily been decided that we’re the exception to the “normal” gender construct that needs to be policed, Other exceptions that make that inconvenient can just as arbitrarily be ignored.
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I don’t think women like to be called that.
that
Indubitably.
Biological gender is a concept that doesn’t have a one to one correspondence with reality, so it’s not a language barrier thing
Nobody was born with any intention, women do not develop eggs until after puberty.
Biology class failed you.
You’re born with all eggs you’ll ever have. That’s why conservatives keep talking about the biological clock so much.
Biology class failed you.
You just attempted to correct someone who was right by using less precise, less scientific language. Which is also what conservatives do when they want to confuse an issue like this one. I suggest you read aboutOogenesis.
You’re born with all eggs you’ll ever have.
Is that why the egg prices are so high?
The part about intention is definitely right, though. No new-born girl has the intention of “holding eggs”, regardless of whether or not we add the stipulation that this is obviously not going to be about bird eggs.
You have all of the Primary Oocytes you’ll ever have, you have none of the Ovum until after Puberty. It’s never been demonstrated that reproduction is possible with only a Primary Oocyte, AFAIK.
