No there aren’t. Not at the scale that humanity currently exists. We would literally die even if we just couldn’t make fertilizer. There would be no way to produce enough food for this many people.
Not really… No major civilization around bodies of water subsists without agriculture. Fishing just supplements the protein requirements of the population, and unless they’re fishing just mackle it’s not likely to be sustainable.
Going the fence a name doesn’t make it not a fence.
I cannot opt out of being inside of fence, if I’m really lucky I might get to choose between a couple of them.
Anyone who misunderstands the issu, does so because they cannot accept their position as just another peon.
I actually like my job enough that the feeling of this meme is mostly background noise. I can still empathize because I have refused to allow the fences to beat it out of me. That is a never ending battle. It’s a pity so many have lost the battle but I get it, that ignorance does look blissful.
even though farming is credited with allowing for population density supporting civilization (tech, stratification etc) plenty of peoples subsisted on the coast for numerous generations prior
we’ve been a species much longer than we’ve had farming (30x?) not really fair to toss all that out just because there is no historical documentation
we have oral traditions arguably from before farming societies
but fish ponds off the coast supported relatively large populations in antiquity, just by then farming was also a thing so there was no reason not to do both
even though farming is credited with allowing for population density supporting civilization (tech, stratification etc) plenty of peoples subsisted on the coast for numerous generations prior
Generations prior to agriculture? I don’t really see how that’s relevant to the current conversation.
but fish ponds off the coast supported relatively large populations in antiquity, just by then farming was also a thing so there was no reason not to do both
Since the advent of agriculture grain, legumes, and vegetables have made up the vast majority of calories that have supported human life. Up until relatively recent times animal protein was a relatively small part of most people’s diets.
it can still be feast or famine but the ocean was once plentiful in many costal areas, pacific islands have some written history from sailors / explorers of some pretty great living conditions all things considered
Lol without agriculture you would literally end up eating shit and dying.
Not true. Other ways to cultivate plentiful food that are not ‘agriculture’; adjacent practices
No there aren’t. Not at the scale that humanity currently exists. We would literally die even if we just couldn’t make fertilizer. There would be no way to produce enough food for this many people.
Your mom isn’t at the scale humanity currently exists!
Real, this is a delusional slop post. All food requires some degree of labour, maintaining food supply or access to food requires even more labour.
Civilisation ≠ the natural human ecosystem, it’s something we created… To feed ourselves.
every civilization around a large body of water makes this a half truth
Not really… No major civilization around bodies of water subsists without agriculture. Fishing just supplements the protein requirements of the population, and unless they’re fishing just mackle it’s not likely to be sustainable.
Going the fence a name doesn’t make it not a fence.
I cannot opt out of being inside of fence, if I’m really lucky I might get to choose between a couple of them.
Anyone who misunderstands the issu, does so because they cannot accept their position as just another peon.
I actually like my job enough that the feeling of this meme is mostly background noise. I can still empathize because I have refused to allow the fences to beat it out of me. That is a never ending battle. It’s a pity so many have lost the battle but I get it, that ignorance does look blissful.
true but major is doing some value lifting here
even though farming is credited with allowing for population density supporting civilization (tech, stratification etc) plenty of peoples subsisted on the coast for numerous generations prior
we’ve been a species much longer than we’ve had farming (30x?) not really fair to toss all that out just because there is no historical documentation
we have oral traditions arguably from before farming societies
but fish ponds off the coast supported relatively large populations in antiquity, just by then farming was also a thing so there was no reason not to do both
Generations prior to agriculture? I don’t really see how that’s relevant to the current conversation.
Since the advent of agriculture grain, legumes, and vegetables have made up the vast majority of calories that have supported human life. Up until relatively recent times animal protein was a relatively small part of most people’s diets.
if we managed to survive as a species for 30x our time vs farming we’re not going to eat shit a die
that was the point
bad faith argument, you can eat vegetables without farming, it just doesn’t have the same population density, hence my point about ‘civilization’
but also not every culture skews that way, just humanity at large
Fair, but fishing still requires a lot of work.
it can still be feast or famine but the ocean was once plentiful in many costal areas, pacific islands have some written history from sailors / explorers of some pretty great living conditions all things considered
won’t be for much longer