• baines@lemmy.cafe
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    3 days ago

    true but major is doing some value lifting here

    even though farming is credited with allowing for population density supporting civilization (tech, stratification etc) plenty of peoples subsisted on the coast for numerous generations prior

    we’ve been a species much longer than we’ve had farming (30x?) not really fair to toss all that out just because there is no historical documentation

    we have oral traditions arguably from before farming societies

    but fish ponds off the coast supported relatively large populations in antiquity, just by then farming was also a thing so there was no reason not to do both

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      3 days ago

      even though farming is credited with allowing for population density supporting civilization (tech, stratification etc) plenty of peoples subsisted on the coast for numerous generations prior

      Generations prior to agriculture? I don’t really see how that’s relevant to the current conversation.

      but fish ponds off the coast supported relatively large populations in antiquity, just by then farming was also a thing so there was no reason not to do both

      Since the advent of agriculture grain, legumes, and vegetables have made up the vast majority of calories that have supported human life. Up until relatively recent times animal protein was a relatively small part of most people’s diets.

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        2 days ago

        if we managed to survive as a species for 30x our time vs farming we’re not going to eat shit a die

        that was the point

        bad faith argument, you can eat vegetables without farming, it just doesn’t have the same population density, hence my point about ‘civilization’

        but also not every culture skews that way, just humanity at large