And this is why I will never own a vehicle manufactured after 2006.
I have just too little control with newer vehicles, be it having to auth with the mothership with every repair I do at home just to get it to start up, or even failing to start up in the first place when the mothership could not be contacted.
I’m seeing a lot of sudden unexpected failures in Russia these days, I wonder if they’re pulling out the old cold war style subterfuge/sabotage playbooks from the CIA.
First: It’s funny, because it is happening to Russians
Second: It’s fucking scary, because it can happen everywhere. Fuck cars that rely on digital services.
What’s up with hating every person born in Russia? Will never get it. I mean, a car shutting down sounds like life-threatening.
The little thing called “invading ukraine” and those that drive porsches are not your average citicens but the upper crust buddys of putin who are as guilty as putin
This isn’t happening to every person in Russia, it’s happening to every person in Russia with a modern Porsche.
Assumptions can be made about the sample set.
This is why I own a ‘79. I could’ve gotten something way newer, but it was a great price for a reliable machine and it’s in great condition. Easy to work on if need be and I can’t be stopped from driving it. Wish I would’ve thought about the lack of airbags, but what’s a drive without a little(lot of) danger?
The six miles of vacuum tubing under the hood will absorb most of the crash energy.
I’ll keep my unkillable Gen 2 Prius. 281,000 miles on the odometer, original engine, replaced the hybrid battery a few years back with a brand new one from Toyota (that I installed myself after convincing a dealership to just sell one to me) and knock on wood, but that’s the last maintenance item I’ve even had to spend any money on.
Too bad quality dropped off after the Gen 2 years.
I had a gen 2. I only got rid of it because I had kids and needed a bit more space. That thing was reliable asf. I did the struts on it once which was a bit of a pain in the ass (you have to disassemble a lot of the interior to get to the top nut) other than that, the only thing I ever did was oil and brakes and had 0 issues. Thankfully I avoided catalytic converter theft which is a huge problem with those in CA. My next car (Lexus Rx hybrid) I wasn’t so lucky.
I had a neighbor who used his as a workhorse. They aren’t for me, but it seems to be a well made car.
I have a 2014 and a 2017 with no required connections. Your point?
I made my point. All the while stating:
I could’ve gotten something way newer
So, what was your point? 🤔
Saying you bought a 79 because it isn’t connected is idiotic.
I guess I should have been more wordy to help YOU understand… I bought an older vehicle so it’s not connected AND is easy to work on myself, if need be. I bought a ‘79 because I love that body style of that specific make/model, it runs like a dream, does everything I need it to do, cost me almost nothing to purchase it, there was no tax on the purchase, the insurance is cheap as heck, the body is almost perfect, et cetera.
Reading deeper into what someone says than what was provided is pretty idiotic, IMO.
Good for you, now let us see you do it again with a '25
Sounds like a real business opportunity for aftermarket electronics to circumvent the connection need.
From “EV conversion kits” to “offline conversion kits”.
I feel like I got my car at the perfect time:
It has Android Auto and CarPlay, and it’s a manual so there’s no way for it to turn on or off remotely.
Now I just have to make sure it survives until I die.
It’s a voluntary anti-theft measure I believe. Prevents it from being started without the owner’s consent. Which immobilizers are also supposed to do, but we all know how well those work.
If I owned a Porsche in Russia, I would also get something like that tbh. Luckily I don’t live in Russia, nor do I have a Porsche anymore and mine was too old for this kinda shit anyway
Living in Russia in Moscow/Petersburg is actually really nice these days.
I mean if I was a rich ethnic Russian in either of those cities, I’d probably love it.
I’m Estonian though, don’t speak any more Russian than yes, no, please, thank you and go fuck yourself. Of course I also understand when being asked for a cigarette - an absolute necessity in Estonia (though these days you’re very unlikely to get attacked for not providing said cigarettes - 20-30 years ago was different, but I wasn’t exactly old enough to smoke then)
But overall I’m glad I don’t live in Russia because I don’t agree with the politics. Even before the current war, I’m sure I would’ve been seen as a dissident. I’m sure the people of Russia are actually mostly very nice. It’s also cheaper than a lot of western countries so working remotely, I’m sure I would’ve been able to live very comfortably before the war. I just wouldn’t ever want to live under Putin rule and I wouldn’t really want to live in a country with so many nationalists (US, if I ever moved there, would be a bit easier, because it’s more about race than nationality and I’m white)
If you’re relatively rich that is.
Living in Petersburg being nice? I dunno
The one in Florida certainly sucks.
I was thinking more about all the dismemberment and depression jokes about the one on Neva with the Aurora cruiser docker yadda-yadda
It’s the weather, probably. Something for the natives, and Finns maybe.
Yeah, but at the same time - the weather in Vyborg is fine by me, and the weather in Narva\Ivangorod. But the place between them (one the coast) is somehow far more depressive.
And I don’t think I’ve heard Helsinki being called depressive.
It’s something about planning, perhaps? Streets are laid out so that you feel as if you were in a military location. People live in those historical beautiful buildings as if they were birds making nests under the roof, as if people were not the main thing there.
And places around SPb, like Strelna, are also not depressive at all. At least in my perception. That air flavored with Baltic salt, every sea smells differently, the Baltic water smell is nice, in some way similar to Coca-Cola.
It’s the city itself.
first they disabled Russian porsches and I didn’t care because I am not a russian owner of a porsche.
then they came for Ukrainian tractors and I didn’t care because I am not an Ukrainian owner of a tractor.
then step by step everything was digitally locked and I owned nothing and I was not really happy.
Just got a dishwasher and it doesn’t even have an app. How can that be?
Just got a toilet and it doesn’t even have an app. How can that be?
Just got a car and it is driven by bear. How can this be?
You may be Russian, or Alaskan.
Korean, actually
are you from the past?
and I owned nothing
Companies love that, until everybody is completely in debt and they learn you can’t seize property from people that don’t own anything.
I think you are too nice.
they are actively trying to own everything.
And then they don’t need to seize anything, because you are forced to work to the bone (even more than you are right now) to just afford your own house rent/property tax.Companies love to become like old Lord and counts and own the land/products and you just rent and work for them.
By then they will already own all the property.
Yes. They’re busy buying everything already. They just need a financial crisis to get the rest for pennies on the dollar. After that it’s time for neo-feudalism.
Maybe Russia started jamming satellite signals and did this to themselves.
[…] and what owners can do next.
Sell their Porsche and buy a car that can’t be locked remotely?
In 2025? Is that even a thing?
You can disable the modem on new Toyotas and they run fine. The dealership will bitch and moan but they can be disabled.
You can also steal new toyotas in a matter of minutes because they absolutely fucked up the can bus security.
There might be some old Ladas around.
They will be taken by the army shortly, just wait.
One way to tell: disable the cellular modem in your car and see if it still operates.
This assumes there’s a user accessible option to disable it.
I assumed it’s not a option, so I took the suggestion to mean “physically disable” the device. Modern cars have a number of integrated computers and they rarely serve individual purposes, but there’s a good chance there’s an external antenna near/in a window. Granted, I don’t have any vehicles with cell service, so I could be wrong. I do own a drill though
Just wrap your car in tinfoil. Bonus is that it stops the government from reading you mind while inside.
Shill for big foil…thanks for the advice MR REYNOLDS.
Probably can’t do this unless you’ve already bought it.
That’s the question, isn’t it?
Can you actually buy a (new) car in 2025?
There’s the upcoming Slate trucks, but those are scheduled for Q4 2026. And… also probably going to be US exclusive for a bit. Oof.
The Slate truck is simple for YOU. It doesn’t have lots of bells and whistles, but is still and electric vehicle that runs on computers. I haven’t heard if it has a remote connection yet, but I bet it does. Also, Jeff Bezos is an investor and I am pretty sure it is not some new altruistic streak for Amazon to launch a consumer product that they can’t monetize forever.
Slate will have no OTA capabilities. How they will monatize forever is by selling parts to users and educating them how to service themselves.
You have to do your own updates over USB.
I took the question initially in jest, then sat back and thought about it. fuck.
To be fair though… I came out to my old car without digital nonsense yesterday and it didn’t start either.
Sorry you had to find out your car is homophobic like that.
Sell them to whom?
Recycling companies?
It’s even worse than that. Porsches are locked by default, and can only be enabled remotely.
I doubt most owners of recent-model luxury-brand cars in Russia are average joes for which this is their only transport. I therefore find my sympathy to be somewhat limited.
You mean the ‘M’ word don’t you
The “O” word, actually: oligarchs (or their relatives or best buddies). Chances are that at least some of them are under sanction in more civilized countries.
Vehicle Tracking System (VTS) — a security module designed to prevent theft but now shutting down cars unexpectedly.
Also, what a strangely written article.
Remember when they started this with games? It would phone home every time you started it up and make sure your license was valid.
And then companies stopped supporting the game or went out of business. And all of a sudden no one could play those games anymore.
Now they’re doing it with cars. How long until that expensive car you bought is no longer supported and you have to upgrade to the new model?
Owners welcomed theft deterrent like that. OnStar is probably the main original US service, found in GM cars. I think Subaru picked them up at some point, but basically all new cars have the option to have manufacturer tracking and app-based vehicle connections for remote start, tracking, service alerts, diagnostic uploads, etc
But who steals a Porsche? 1 in 4 Lexus SUVs are stolen because where they end up in eastern europe and Africa, people want reliable vehicles. Top two stolen vehicles by far are Civics and Accords for that reason. No one steals Land Rovers.
I don’t know about Russian thefts, but US Theives will absolutely go for a Porsche. Not every theft is shipped overseas. Fast, flashy cars are stolen to thrash for a couple days and then wreck them. So, sure, by raw numbers, I’m sure honda and Toyota top the list. That doesn’t mean Porsche is off the list - the stat is higher per capita. I mean, Kias are top of the list in the US Midwest and they are NOT being shipped. Even those are just stolen for joyride. The 3rd category is stripping them for parts. No hotwiring/fob spoofing, no complicated theft. Winch it up on a flatbed faster than the owner can respond.
Ask any Porsche owner if they’re afraid of theft. I promise, every one of them will say yes
Good thing this is a completely optional “feature” that I’d never pay for
“smart” cars
Where are the accident videos? Russian drivers are shit and a Porsche losing power turns into a target.
Why not do cars need internet access in order to start?
I understand having auxiliary services the network connected but surely the failure mode should just be an error on the screen but otherwise the car should still function. It’s not like operating without internet access is dangerous or anything.
Also, why don’t we just do that, cut Russias internet access, it seems like it would cause of chaos.
It’s the reason why no one steals Teslas. Easy to brick, impossible to charge on their system if stolen.
I’m sure there’s plenty of other reasons to not steal a tesla. It being a mobile surveillance device being one of them. Also, if I was going to steal a car, I’d pick one with better build quality and one that doesn’t have a different fire exit than the normal way to exit that I’d probably be going for if my car was suddenly on fire.
As for “cut russias internet”, I imagine they have a lot of services hosted on their own infrastructure within Russia.
Of course probably a lot of people use western services like social media and e-commerce. Which would piss off a lot of Russian people. So you could have western governments require sanctions on services to reject Russian traffic.
One of the downsides though is there are probably a lot of people who disagree with the regime and want to get info in and out. You push them closer to isolation like North Korea. So called “winning of hearts and minds” might be better served by keeping things open.
But what do I know.
Because it was the anti theft system and immobilizer.
It would be pretty useless if it could be defeated by putting some foil on the antenna so that it loses network connection and defaulted to allowing you to drive.How does it validate that you are a valid driver? Do you enter a PIN or something?
With your personal vehicle access device, aka, the car key. Immobilizers with transponders in the key have been a thing (and in some places a legal requirement) for like three decades.
They’ve just gotten more aggressive now with “keyless” entry and being able to use your phone as your key, so some validate that info in real time - no network, no access. (Up to a point. They won’t immediately strand you just because you ran out of cell coverage obviously, but apparently Porsche did enforce some part of their system to that point)Yeah, I’ve seen videos of Porsches needing to be towed out of parking garages because there is no cell signal underground.
Well, it’s because Russia is jamming GPS signal, it affects planes, cars, everything relying on GPS.
That’s a huge leap to assume GPS blocking was also blanketing other 2 way satellite communication frequencies.
None of these things need GPS to function. Even planes. A compass, a map and a clock go a long way.
For planes maybe it’s not strictly necessary but makes things way safer
