I get where they’re coming from. It isn’t that mis/dis-information is good. It’s just that they aren’t going to get the accurate information anyway.
For example, who actually created this university? Can you tell me? Does it actually matter? If this story causes good outcomes, where otherwise there would be a void of information which could be filled by someone else, then the story that causes good is the best option.
You say “yes” as if that means something. How? What changes if we just leave the gap of knowledge unfilled?
You didn’t answer who created it. You did t say what would happen. You just said “yes” as if that alone is enough justification. What good does it do? If the gap is instead filled with mysoginist religious garbage, what’s the benefit from telling people this isn’t true?
For people un-effected, fine. Let them know. For people who benefit from it, or who don’t hurt others because of it, what is gained? This isn’t answered by just saying “yes.” Put more effort in or I assume you don’t actually have any reason.
Lol. “You can look it up.” That’s the entire issue here. Looking it up it says it’s the woman in the OP. However, she was only written about several centuries later and, according to Wikipedia at least, “her story has been hard to substantiate and some modern historians doubt her existence.”
If you think that’s enough then you agree with me and this other person. The story, though we can’t substantiate it, is good enough to keep telling it. It doesn’t really matter that it may be wrong. Insisting instead that we don’t really know who created it so shouldn’t say anyone did isn’t useful.
It’s a pretty dumb trolly problem if you rather truth that hurts people than a fairy tale that actually helps people.
What’s crazy is holding onto the ideal that you can get everyone on the same page, interpreting the same things the same way. Our entire civilization is build on a palace of lies we will never have truth for, so I find I don’t feel bothered if people take inspiration from someone who may or may not have existed.
I was going to talk about our social acceptance of religion despite even knowing it does objective harms to society, but then I realized you’re being performative and don’t really care or you wouldn’t have to put words in my mouth. I won’t see whatever else you have to tell me I am saying.
This is a crazy take. Misinformation is not all of the sudden good when it has a positive outcome.
I get where they’re coming from. It isn’t that mis/dis-information is good. It’s just that they aren’t going to get the accurate information anyway.
For example, who actually created this university? Can you tell me? Does it actually matter? If this story causes good outcomes, where otherwise there would be a void of information which could be filled by someone else, then the story that causes good is the best option.
Yes. You can look it up and see. Or even read more comments further down talking about it.
Yes it matters.
You say “yes” as if that means something. How? What changes if we just leave the gap of knowledge unfilled?
You didn’t answer who created it. You did t say what would happen. You just said “yes” as if that alone is enough justification. What good does it do? If the gap is instead filled with mysoginist religious garbage, what’s the benefit from telling people this isn’t true?
For people un-effected, fine. Let them know. For people who benefit from it, or who don’t hurt others because of it, what is gained? This isn’t answered by just saying “yes.” Put more effort in or I assume you don’t actually have any reason.
What gap are you talking about? Yes you can look it up who created it.
No I didn’t answer who created it because… you can look it up. The information exists.
I don’t really need to put more effort into an answer because it doesn’t need it.
Lol. “You can look it up.” That’s the entire issue here. Looking it up it says it’s the woman in the OP. However, she was only written about several centuries later and, according to Wikipedia at least, “her story has been hard to substantiate and some modern historians doubt her existence.”
If you think that’s enough then you agree with me and this other person. The story, though we can’t substantiate it, is good enough to keep telling it. It doesn’t really matter that it may be wrong. Insisting instead that we don’t really know who created it so shouldn’t say anyone did isn’t useful.
It’s a pretty dumb trolly problem if you rather truth that hurts people than a fairy tale that actually helps people.
What’s crazy is holding onto the ideal that you can get everyone on the same page, interpreting the same things the same way. Our entire civilization is build on a palace of lies we will never have truth for, so I find I don’t feel bothered if people take inspiration from someone who may or may not have existed.
Yeah but why not just find someone who actually existed to be inspired by instead of a lie?
“We don’t know so we might as well not bother learning” is also an incredibly wild take.
I was going to talk about our social acceptance of religion despite even knowing it does objective harms to society, but then I realized you’re being performative and don’t really care or you wouldn’t have to put words in my mouth. I won’t see whatever else you have to tell me I am saying.
I also don’t like religion for the same reason.