It’s in not comparable to Nuremberg. The problem here is the selective application. They aren’t upholding any international order. Israel is doing the same and not even getting any sanctions. They are simply stealing money from their adversaries.
What are you even talking about? I think the point went over your head.
My point is that the Nuremburg Trials were also “made up” laws to apply retroactively to people who did some bad shit.
Sometimes, that’s okay. In many folks’ opinion at the time, and now, the Nuremburg Trials were a good idea.
There may credibly be arguments over whether Russia’s behavior merits such exceptional treatment (obviously I believe it does)
Counter-whaddaboutism with regarding Israel’s appalling bad behavior isn’t relevant, but I would support similar treatment for them, except that is obviously not happening
It absolutely is comparable. Nuremburg was an EXTREMELY selective application.
Sometimes, a state/government/group takes actions that are so objectionable that other people want to punish them, and collectively they decide that it’s okay to make up a new rule and apply it retroactively.
That was how Nuremburg happened, and now it has happened again. We can argue if it was justified or not, or about the details of implementation.
You may be salty that Israel appears to be getting away with its bad behavior, but the two things really are not connected
Russia has Fucked Up (by failing to achieve their SMO goals in three days) and then they have Doubled Down (by failing to quit while they were ahead) and now, of course as the kids do like to say, they are Finding Out. (a little bit at least)
Will it matter? Who knows?
But just today Lukoil agreed to sell off all of their overseas assets, and I’m guessing the buyers got a steal. This won’t bring about regime change directly, but domestic politics in Russia are tense. Unanswered anti-putin protests in st Petersburg would have been unthinkable a year ago
Israel killed more women and children in two months than Russia did in two years. Which is even more impressive because Palestine is way smaller than Ukraine.
Russia makes less than 3% civilian casualties. Israel at least 80% and probably way more.
This doesn’t make Russia’s invasion good but at leas they’re not intentionally massacring the entirity of Ukraine Holocaust style.
But yes if Europe sanctioned both then I wouldn’t complain about it. The selective application is the problem.
It’s in not comparable to Nuremberg. The problem here is the selective application. They aren’t upholding any international order. Israel is doing the same and not even getting any sanctions. They are simply stealing money from their adversaries.
Why is your argument “but they did it”? Ignore the others and be good. You should strive to be better
The argument is my username.
What are you even talking about? I think the point went over your head.
My point is that the Nuremburg Trials were also “made up” laws to apply retroactively to people who did some bad shit.
Sometimes, that’s okay. In many folks’ opinion at the time, and now, the Nuremburg Trials were a good idea.
There may credibly be arguments over whether Russia’s behavior merits such exceptional treatment (obviously I believe it does)
Counter-whaddaboutism with regarding Israel’s appalling bad behavior isn’t relevant, but I would support similar treatment for them, except that is obviously not happening
Sorry. Not sure what is going on. My reply wasn’t to your comment. Having a hard time navigating this app
Ah no worries.
If you’re using Jeroba, I can empathize. If you’re using some other quirky app, … I guess they are all like that
Was using eternity, but saw it hadn’t been updated in 15 months. Switched to Voyager for now
My dearest wish would be a version of RiF for Lemmy
But the dev of that near-perfect app is focused on Tildes, which is a very good community, but a very different one than lemmy
It absolutely is comparable. Nuremburg was an EXTREMELY selective application.
Sometimes, a state/government/group takes actions that are so objectionable that other people want to punish them, and collectively they decide that it’s okay to make up a new rule and apply it retroactively.
That was how Nuremburg happened, and now it has happened again. We can argue if it was justified or not, or about the details of implementation.
You may be salty that Israel appears to be getting away with its bad behavior, but the two things really are not connected
Russia has Fucked Up (by failing to achieve their SMO goals in three days) and then they have Doubled Down (by failing to quit while they were ahead) and now, of course as the kids do like to say, they are Finding Out. (a little bit at least)
Will it matter? Who knows?
But just today Lukoil agreed to sell off all of their overseas assets, and I’m guessing the buyers got a steal. This won’t bring about regime change directly, but domestic politics in Russia are tense. Unanswered anti-putin protests in st Petersburg would have been unthinkable a year ago
What Israel is doing is objectively far worse than what Russia is doing.
That is an opinion that some people share.
I don’t think they are easily compared. Different forms of the same general crime against humanity.
Both are pretty awful, but I’m not sure that it’s a contest about which has a greater degree of awfulness.
I’d support similar economic treatment of Israel’s overseas financial holdings though.
Wouldn’t that be something to see! Haha it’s fun to think about at least.
Israel not being held accountable for it’s shitty behavior doesn’t mean Russia should get a free pass
(Insert porque no los dos meme)
*Edited to expand initial reaction
Israel killed more women and children in two months than Russia did in two years. Which is even more impressive because Palestine is way smaller than Ukraine.
Russia makes less than 3% civilian casualties. Israel at least 80% and probably way more.
This doesn’t make Russia’s invasion good but at leas they’re not intentionally massacring the entirity of Ukraine Holocaust style.
But yes if Europe sanctioned both then I wouldn’t complain about it. The selective application is the problem.
Well, you certainly are allowed to be mad about the unfairness of it all
‘Fair’ is a figment of human imagination unfortunately, but it’s one of our best dreams and I too wish all the things were fair.