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Everyone should watch Sagan teaching climate change to Congress back in 1985: https://youtu.be/Wp-WiNXH6hI
40 years ago.
It’s so easy to lose sight among all the gish-galloping nonsense around these topics just how long the problem has been almost fully understood and very clearly articulated. It’s absolutely devastating to think about how catastrophically the world has failed to meet the challenge he describes here in the intervening decades.
While I adore Sagan, the greenhouse effect was was proposed as early as 1824 by Joseph Fourier (yes Fourier transform dude). Literally two centuries old science.
My point was that Sagan openly taught climate change directly to Congress 40 years ago, so Congress and Americans have no excuse not to know, not that he was anywhere near being the first to propose it. He was known as a teacher/professor to the masses, much more than as a pioneer like Fourrier or Arrhenius. Topic is Sagan and Congress, not necessarily climate change, which I brought up as another way they relate.
Right you are, if a tad US centric, not sure the topic actually was Sagan and Congress, although Sagan for Sanders might give you some credibility. I suspect we’re on the same general side anyway and the ancientness of the argument helps both…
I didn’t intend to suggest that Carl Sagan invented climate science in 1985, just that the political conversation has been clear and ongoing for decades (indeed, longer than 40 years), yet the opposing narratives continue to claim it’s unproven, and the progress remains insufficient.
Cool, never implied you did,(suggest that Carl Sagan invented climate science in 1985) and happy the spirit continues in you, here for it. Science is never proven (mathematics aside), just more and more probable in most cases, at this point the “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” is anything against climate change…
“gish-galloping nonsense”- Yes well largely because the O&G producers hire marketing firms to steer people’s minds away from the climate crisis. Advertising at/sponsoring sports like Canadian hockey games is a prime example.
oh nice, two of my favorite people
Amazing find!
It makes sense to support him back then when Sanders was in his fifties.
Only thing I’m pissed off about with Sanders if he never spent the time to build a movement, it’s him, AOC and like two potential house representatives when he should have scores of candidates in his party.
Thats basically what he’s been doing since his failed bid.
You have AOC, Rashid Tlaib, Ilhan Omar, Ro Khanna, Pramila Japayapal, and Mamdani.
Plus an explosion in membership for the DSA, as well as groups like More Perfect Union, and his Fighting Oligarchy tour.
There’s a reason he tells people they are the change we need. They’re the ones who need to run for local and state office.
Only thing I’m pissed off about with Sanders if he never spent the time to build a movement, it’s him, AOC and like two potential house representatives when he should have scores of candidates in his party.
His motto since '16 has been “it’s not me, it’s us”
