While I adore Sagan, the greenhouse effect was was proposed as early as 1824 by Joseph Fourier (yes Fourier transform dude). Literally two centuries old science.
My point was that Sagan openly taught climate change directly to Congress 40 years ago, so Congress and Americans have no excuse not to know, not that he was anywhere near being the first to propose it. He was known as a teacher/professor to the masses, much more than as a pioneer like Fourrier or Arrhenius. Topic is Sagan and Congress, not necessarily climate change, which I brought up as another way they relate.
Right you are, if a tad US centric, not sure the topic actually was Sagan and Congress, although Sagan for Sanders might give you some credibility. I suspect we’re on the same general side anyway and the ancientness of the argument helps both…
I didn’t intend to suggest that Carl Sagan invented climate science in 1985, just that the political conversation has been clear and ongoing for decades (indeed, longer than 40 years), yet the opposing narratives continue to claim it’s unproven, and the progress remains insufficient.
Cool, never implied you did,(suggest that Carl Sagan invented climate science in 1985) and happy the spirit continues in you, here for it. Science is never proven (mathematics aside), just more and more probable in most cases, at this point the “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” is anything against climate change…
While I adore Sagan, the greenhouse effect was was proposed as early as 1824 by Joseph Fourier (yes Fourier transform dude). Literally two centuries old science.
My point was that Sagan openly taught climate change directly to Congress 40 years ago, so Congress and Americans have no excuse not to know, not that he was anywhere near being the first to propose it. He was known as a teacher/professor to the masses, much more than as a pioneer like Fourrier or Arrhenius. Topic is Sagan and Congress, not necessarily climate change, which I brought up as another way they relate.
Right you are, if a tad US centric, not sure the topic actually was Sagan and Congress, although Sagan for Sanders might give you some credibility. I suspect we’re on the same general side anyway and the ancientness of the argument helps both…
I didn’t intend to suggest that Carl Sagan invented climate science in 1985, just that the political conversation has been clear and ongoing for decades (indeed, longer than 40 years), yet the opposing narratives continue to claim it’s unproven, and the progress remains insufficient.
Cool, never implied you did,(suggest that Carl Sagan invented climate science in 1985) and happy the spirit continues in you, here for it. Science is never proven (mathematics aside), just more and more probable in most cases, at this point the “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” is anything against climate change…