Bringing my own snark back in line here for some actual discussion, throwing out a different perspective as food for thought.
The line he’s using has been pretty memed so that’s why I said blatant. A quick scroll through history showed some shots taken towards conservatives and maga and not really anything supporting far right.
Being hostile to people who don’t see the point of adding sarcasm tags isn’t so much helpful as making it an unpleasant place to be in, and adding “I gave you a chance” when you’re also some shmuck on the internet like the rest of us comes across incredibly condescending. Especially when it’s not exactly a “rule” on the internet to tag your content with a sarcasm tag. Even if the intent is good, it’s just digging the hole deeper. It’s not just the other guy who sees it, it’s everyone else.
Some people respond well to being asked, few if any respond well to being told to do things by randoms, especially if followed by hostility. If your goal is for someone to change what they’re doing you have to consider how they will interpret you asking. Some people will double down but how that’s responded to also contributes to how other people will react when asked in future.
Lemmy is small but also does itself no favours by being incredibly hostile to new users (in particular people who come from Reddit, which drives me nuts as Lemmy seems to function as a Reddit alternative by all outside appearances). That’s anecdotal but I see it all the time here. In the same vein I also see a lot of calls for violence.
We’re vulnerable to being taken over by reactionaries but going overboard on random people for memes is just going to drive normal people out and keep the reactionaries in. It just seems to be an issue that’s compounding and I don’t really have a good solution, we’re living in fucked up times
I have a solution. I’m implementing it. If you have an improvement on my solution, I’m all ears. If not, kindly just let me keep doing what I’m doing.
I don’t pass judgment when asking if the person is sarcastic. I’m only hostile once they refuse to clarify. (Being sarcastic in response isn’t clarifying. If a person missed the sarcasm the first time, doubling down makes you kind of a dick, regardless of what you’re actual motives are). That hostility is, by design, asymmetrical. Because I’m not targeting the person making a stupid joke. I’m making nazis and fascists unwelcome. I can’t be charitable because doing so, again, makes the space more welcoming to those I don’t want to be here.
Making nazis feel unsafe is the only way to keep them out of a space. You can’t continence any of them, regardless of how “respectful” they are. Social cohesion is not made from a lack of social tension, it’s made from trust that those around you aren’t hostile to your existence.
Bringing my own snark back in line here for some actual discussion, throwing out a different perspective as food for thought.
The line he’s using has been pretty memed so that’s why I said blatant. A quick scroll through history showed some shots taken towards conservatives and maga and not really anything supporting far right.
Being hostile to people who don’t see the point of adding sarcasm tags isn’t so much helpful as making it an unpleasant place to be in, and adding “I gave you a chance” when you’re also some shmuck on the internet like the rest of us comes across incredibly condescending. Especially when it’s not exactly a “rule” on the internet to tag your content with a sarcasm tag. Even if the intent is good, it’s just digging the hole deeper. It’s not just the other guy who sees it, it’s everyone else.
Some people respond well to being asked, few if any respond well to being told to do things by randoms, especially if followed by hostility. If your goal is for someone to change what they’re doing you have to consider how they will interpret you asking. Some people will double down but how that’s responded to also contributes to how other people will react when asked in future.
Lemmy is small but also does itself no favours by being incredibly hostile to new users (in particular people who come from Reddit, which drives me nuts as Lemmy seems to function as a Reddit alternative by all outside appearances). That’s anecdotal but I see it all the time here. In the same vein I also see a lot of calls for violence.
We’re vulnerable to being taken over by reactionaries but going overboard on random people for memes is just going to drive normal people out and keep the reactionaries in. It just seems to be an issue that’s compounding and I don’t really have a good solution, we’re living in fucked up times
I have a solution. I’m implementing it. If you have an improvement on my solution, I’m all ears. If not, kindly just let me keep doing what I’m doing.
I don’t pass judgment when asking if the person is sarcastic. I’m only hostile once they refuse to clarify. (Being sarcastic in response isn’t clarifying. If a person missed the sarcasm the first time, doubling down makes you kind of a dick, regardless of what you’re actual motives are). That hostility is, by design, asymmetrical. Because I’m not targeting the person making a stupid joke. I’m making nazis and fascists unwelcome. I can’t be charitable because doing so, again, makes the space more welcoming to those I don’t want to be here.
Making nazis feel unsafe is the only way to keep them out of a space. You can’t continence any of them, regardless of how “respectful” they are. Social cohesion is not made from a lack of social tension, it’s made from trust that those around you aren’t hostile to your existence.