cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/45880359
The EU Parliament is pushing for an agreement on the child sexual abuse (CSAM) scanning bill, according to a leaked memo
According to the Council Legal Service, the proposal still violates fundamental human rights in its current form
The Danish version of the so-called Chat Control could be adopted as early as October 14, 2025
The nations welcoming and supporting the Danish proposal include Italy, Spain, and Hungary. France also said that “it could essentially support the proposal.”
Belgium, Estonia, Finland, Germany, Greece, Slovenia, Luxembourg, and Romania currently remain undecided or in need of a review with their local parliament.
So… there’s been a lot of Europeans looking at America and laughing at the stuff we’re going through, smug that the US is getting this.
I’m not going to say as someone from the US we don’t deserve the kicking, as a country the attitude of the US has had a bad problem of exceptionalism
But this right here should be the warning to Europe not to fall into the exceptionalism trap… your oligarchs are waiting to take everything over as well. And before I get called overreacting and unconnected, this is smelling quite of the “Patriot Act” we got.
Their “oligarchs”. LOL.
That’s a different part of the world, it’s not “oligarchs”, it’s just the government and politicians and a significant part of society in every European country. Eastern Europe might even be a bit better in this regard than Western, because of relatively recent historical memory.
You have to deserve “oligarchs” first. They didn’t. You ask some granny in any European country, that granny will likely be in favor of full-on totalitarianism because they are a law-abiding society and there should be order, and people thinking they have natural rights are extremists.
You in your land of the weird joke about “freedumb” and “mass shooter rights” and “free hate speech”, not understanding that the reason Europeans too joke about those is not them seeing your problems as they are, but because they (except for France and maybe some Scandinavian ones, and, eh, maybe Switzerland) unironically have problems with the ideas of freedom, equality, limits of mandate, right to rebellion and free speech. Half the European nations are monarchies or recent monarchies or recent fascist nations or ex-Commie nations.
You there joke about these treating it as a given that you have those rights, just some jerks abuse them, while Europeans joke because they don’t have those rights and don’t treat them as certain. There’s nothing in UK’s or even Germany’s constitutional laws that admits that their citizens are free people with right to rebellion and to freedom of expression and association, even if someone in some other law writes that they are not.
Mhm. Show me where in the US constitution it says that people have a right to rebellion.
And then please show me how this right to rebellion was applied when an actual rebellion occured.
And please also take into consideration any laws regarding treason or domestic terrorism.
I said constitutional law, not the US constitution alone. Including declaration of independence and the surrounding history of discussion and all. Also not “says that people have”, but recognizes it as an inherent right. Naturally if such a right exists, either no law can retract it or it would be meaningless.
And then please show me how this right to rebellion was applied when an actual rebellion occured.
I don’t see how this is relevant. If you think it is, please explain how, explicitly and not implicitly.
(Also one would guess that slaveholders’ right to rebellion is in significant doubt.)
And please also take into consideration any laws regarding treason or domestic terrorism.
Can’t override constitutional and inherent rights. Also if you don’t recognize the latter, it’s too bad but your country’s founding documents do as a basis. Basically the US constitution is toilet paper compared to unstated but mentioned in d.o.i. inherent rights, and any normal law is toilet paper compared to the US constitution.
And people who made that system were very well educated, also very practical, and explained very thoroughly why should any system of formal rules be possible to discard by force and why inherent rights not prone to degeneracy of any formal system driven by power should exist in philosophy. They were not XX and XXI centuries’ idealists with overvalued ideas, or idiots dreaming of totalitarianism with those like them on top.
A law that doesn’t apply is worthless.
Thinking that this somehow makes you or your anachronistic shithole of a country somewhat better is just plain delusional.
First, my anachronistic shithole of a country would be Russia.
Second, I said right, not law. Rights are more transcendent.
Rights don’t exist. They are social conventions based in law. If you don’t have a law or the law isn’t enforced then you don’t have a right.
Contrary to the name, there are no basic, inalienable human rights.
If your right is not supported by law, it does not exist.
Rights don’t exist. They are social conventions based in law. If you don’t have a law or the law isn’t enforced then you don’t have a right.
That’s your opinion which was a minority one in most of the world for most of history. Including such counterintuitive parts of it as China.
Contrary to the name, there are no basic, inalienable human rights.
Says who and based on what?
If your right is not supported by law, it does not exist.
And from which hairy arse would a law gain justification to determine someone’s rights?
You are likely from one of the countries with English-derived legal system, where the precedent mechanism literally means that there are non-codified rights outside of the law, which the interpretation of the law has to approximate.
Man, if only there were some kind of list of high profile sex offenders that some world government could access to catch them. If that existed, I’m sure the people clamoring to find sex offenders would use it immediately.
You got to love conservatives and how they both use child pornography as a cudgel to attack drag queens (because they know their voters hate both drag queens and child predators) and then also protect their leaders because they know any accusation will hurt their political career.
Not sure if you’re for or against such list
Not sure if I missed the joke but I’m obviously referencing the Jeffrey Epstein list. Which exists. Which powerful world leaders could get much more easily than cracking open every single civilian phone.
That is, if they were really interested in catching sex offenders and not just demolishing civil liberties.
Ooooh
Some people are on the Epstein list, but you’re on the denialist
The solution of the problem starts with not calling these individuals “powerful world leaders”.
emails sent! (pgp encrypted)
To be honest it’s happening right now with digital keyboards and autocomplete. The only problem are those hackers who don’t use phone or tablet. Normal people are pretty much covered.
Trump is already doing that. Why do so many capitulate and follow Trump? He has their browser histories.
Salami piece Nr. 5.
