I never did understand why so-called smart people pay money to be told they’re smart.
Edit: Probably the reverse of the reason people are paid to tell others, people like you, that you’re a no-good waste of space and you don’t deserve me even addressing lifeforms as low as you; you disgusting piece of human excrement. That’ll be £50, maggot.
I think I’m going to start a testing company with a big-titty mummy milf making a video for each person with a “high iq” instead of a paper certificate. I’ll make a bazillion!
I worked for 40 years at a company that made most of NASA’s rocket engines, and a host of other impressive technology. There were many, many geniuses there - lots of literal rocket scientists, and leaders in fields like materials science and chemical engineering. One thing I learned early on was that most of the true geniuses looked down on people who mentioned being members of Mensa. It was like a red flag that the person cares too much about being perceived as smart. People who care so much about that put more energy into fostering the image than actually contributing.
like lasers right? Tell me we have laser weapons in space! Or do you mean really small but smart contributions that no one other than rocket scientists would know about!
As for MENSA - for sure. Pretentious little kiddies.
My intuition is that “smart” is a vague word that means a lot of things, but almost all of those interpretations are generally seen as a positive and respectable. The idea of being respected is inherently appealing, so if we entirely conflate the colloquial meanings with a very specific meaning that can be measured accurately on a linear scale, well then you can just show people your good number and take a shortcut to being revered without having to actually behave in an observably respectable way in front of other people.
A person taking an iq test has experience with claims of being smart being met with skepticism, so the next idea is that a third party would help clear up that misunderstanding. They’re not paying to be told they’re smart, they’re paying for the certificate from a third party to back them up.
My guess is that overlooking the obvious issues is more about desperation than anything else. No one calls someone intelligent to convey that they can score high on a specific test that measures nothing meaningful. It also should be very natural to ask whether other people might find reason to doubt the value of a certificate. Not doing any investigation into these thoughts is pretty fucking stupid, but stupid to the point where I think there has to be a certain level of desperation to not see them at all.
Wow you wrote a lot of nonsense. “IQ” tests are BS. The tests were sold to companies in the 50s to address the changing employment needs (more computing / logical / spatial awareness, than previous posts) and science - proper science - has moved on way past the concept of IQ. There are many different branches of IQ that one single test doesn’t address.
I’m reading what you’re writing as saying IQ tests should not be taken seriously but it also sounds like you’re disagreeing with me for writing that I think IQ tests are a garbage concept that someone would be inclined to buy into if they’re overly insecure and want a shortcut to claim that they’re “smart”. What did I write that you actually disagree with?
I was replying to a comment wondering how people can take them seriously and I was trying to imagine what could lead a person to entirely avoid looking at the very obvious reasons why iq tests should not be treated seriously. It feels like you’re condescending to me while holding the same opinion I have.
I think it’s more they want a proof that they aren’t bragging or crazy when they do feel like they are surrounded by morons. Not sure about the need to show off though. That seems silly.
We got both kids tested at the behest of the school so it’s an officially recognized test (WPPSI-IV) but I didn’t need a test to tell me I have clever kids. Nor do the teachers after about five minutes chatting with them, usually.
But it was useful to get them sorted in the upper class when there was a doubt. Also it was nice to have some fine grained detail and an actual statistical value of just how different they are. Something I try to keep in mind when dealing with them on the daily.
In France we use the term “High Intellectual Potential” and that’s really all it is : potential. It’s up to me not to waste it and help them flourish now. So far the teachers also see it and the best they can to also help them flourish but clearly the public school system is barely equipped to grow that potential when there are so many kids in difficulty. A single “social case” kid in a class can fuck things up for everybody around them, it’s a fucking nightmare…
I didn’t need a test to tell me I have clever kids
Every parent thinks their child is super smart and often argues with teachers over it.
Nor do the teachers after about five minutes chatting with them,
Teachers will think of you as ‘those’ parents who they have to pretend your child is gifted around. I’m not sure if you’re implying you think teachers can tell if your children are super smart after five minutes of chatting with them, but, trust me, they can’t, and don’t.
A single “social case” kid in a class can fuck things up for everybody around them, it’s a fucking nightmare…
You sound charming. Can’t you afford to send them to a reputable private school? Oh, That’s too bad. Sounds like you’re wasting the kids’ “potential”
WPPSI-IV
A single test is BS. A waste of time. A current score is not predictive of future ability and is pretty much worthless. I can tell you that your teachers ignore the score (regardless of what they tell you to your face), even though they seem to have recommended it - presumably they get a kickback from the company that tests the child for the referral (if the school did recommend it, that reveals more about your school than you realise). Additionally, the test has specific weaknesses. But hey, you get to come on Lemmy and post how “smart” your children are.
My reply didn’t overlook test justifications, nor does your explanation actually justify IQ tests. Shame.
Yeah I went to take that same test to see how high it scored, and flex on this chud with a higher score. “Free test” then charges $15 for results. Screw that, I’m not doing that for a bit.
But for those who are curious, it’s a pretty straightforward multiple choice pattern recognition test. It’s not really difficult at all. Pretty sure I got every question right in like a quarter of the allotted time. It’s really funny that he described it as “time crunching” and “adrenaline pumping”.
I never did understand why so-called smart people pay money to be told they’re smart.
Edit: Probably the reverse of the reason people are paid to tell others, people like you, that you’re a no-good waste of space and you don’t deserve me even addressing lifeforms as low as you; you disgusting piece of human excrement. That’ll be £50, maggot.
Absolutely.
As a genuinely smart person I can do that for myself for free. 😏
I think I’m going to start a testing company with a big-titty mummy milf making a video for each person with a “high iq” instead of a paper certificate. I’ll make a bazillion!
Why would she need a bazillion, unless she’s going to be naked?
“That’ll be $50. Ok here it is. Thank you. You’re welcome.”
-Me
And I do!
I worked for 40 years at a company that made most of NASA’s rocket engines, and a host of other impressive technology. There were many, many geniuses there - lots of literal rocket scientists, and leaders in fields like materials science and chemical engineering. One thing I learned early on was that most of the true geniuses looked down on people who mentioned being members of Mensa. It was like a red flag that the person cares too much about being perceived as smart. People who care so much about that put more energy into fostering the image than actually contributing.
like lasers right? Tell me we have laser weapons in space! Or do you mean really small but smart contributions that no one other than rocket scientists would know about!
As for MENSA - for sure. Pretentious little kiddies.
We actually had a very cool laser program for many years. One of the times that the company changed hands, the parent company kept the lasers part.
But we did a lot of very neat electrical power systems, including the whole electrical power management system for the space station.
Can a potato power it?
Might have to disable the slow clap functionality of the AI while on potato power
That probably would have been a good design feature because it turns out potatoes grow well in space, but we opted to go with solar power.
Yes but very shortly.
My intuition is that “smart” is a vague word that means a lot of things, but almost all of those interpretations are generally seen as a positive and respectable. The idea of being respected is inherently appealing, so if we entirely conflate the colloquial meanings with a very specific meaning that can be measured accurately on a linear scale, well then you can just show people your good number and take a shortcut to being revered without having to actually behave in an observably respectable way in front of other people.
A person taking an iq test has experience with claims of being smart being met with skepticism, so the next idea is that a third party would help clear up that misunderstanding. They’re not paying to be told they’re smart, they’re paying for the certificate from a third party to back them up.
My guess is that overlooking the obvious issues is more about desperation than anything else. No one calls someone intelligent to convey that they can score high on a specific test that measures nothing meaningful. It also should be very natural to ask whether other people might find reason to doubt the value of a certificate. Not doing any investigation into these thoughts is pretty fucking stupid, but stupid to the point where I think there has to be a certain level of desperation to not see them at all.
Wow you wrote a lot of nonsense. “IQ” tests are BS. The tests were sold to companies in the 50s to address the changing employment needs (more computing / logical / spatial awareness, than previous posts) and science - proper science - has moved on way past the concept of IQ. There are many different branches of IQ that one single test doesn’t address.
I’m reading what you’re writing as saying IQ tests should not be taken seriously but it also sounds like you’re disagreeing with me for writing that I think IQ tests are a garbage concept that someone would be inclined to buy into if they’re overly insecure and want a shortcut to claim that they’re “smart”. What did I write that you actually disagree with?
I was replying to a comment wondering how people can take them seriously and I was trying to imagine what could lead a person to entirely avoid looking at the very obvious reasons why iq tests should not be treated seriously. It feels like you’re condescending to me while holding the same opinion I have.
I think it’s more they want a proof that they aren’t bragging or crazy when they do feel like they are surrounded by morons. Not sure about the need to show off though. That seems silly. We got both kids tested at the behest of the school so it’s an officially recognized test (WPPSI-IV) but I didn’t need a test to tell me I have clever kids. Nor do the teachers after about five minutes chatting with them, usually. But it was useful to get them sorted in the upper class when there was a doubt. Also it was nice to have some fine grained detail and an actual statistical value of just how different they are. Something I try to keep in mind when dealing with them on the daily. In France we use the term “High Intellectual Potential” and that’s really all it is : potential. It’s up to me not to waste it and help them flourish now. So far the teachers also see it and the best they can to also help them flourish but clearly the public school system is barely equipped to grow that potential when there are so many kids in difficulty. A single “social case” kid in a class can fuck things up for everybody around them, it’s a fucking nightmare…
Every parent thinks their child is super smart and often argues with teachers over it.
Teachers will think of you as ‘those’ parents who they have to pretend your child is gifted around. I’m not sure if you’re implying you think teachers can tell if your children are super smart after five minutes of chatting with them, but, trust me, they can’t, and don’t.
You sound charming. Can’t you afford to send them to a reputable private school? Oh, That’s too bad. Sounds like you’re wasting the kids’ “potential”
A single test is BS. A waste of time. A current score is not predictive of future ability and is pretty much worthless. I can tell you that your teachers ignore the score (regardless of what they tell you to your face), even though they seem to have recommended it - presumably they get a kickback from the company that tests the child for the referral (if the school did recommend it, that reveals more about your school than you realise). Additionally, the test has specific weaknesses. But hey, you get to come on Lemmy and post how “smart” your children are.
My reply didn’t overlook test justifications, nor does your explanation actually justify IQ tests. Shame.
Yeah I went to take that same test to see how high it scored, and flex on this chud with a higher score. “Free test” then charges $15 for results. Screw that, I’m not doing that for a bit.
But for those who are curious, it’s a pretty straightforward multiple choice pattern recognition test. It’s not really difficult at all. Pretty sure I got every question right in like a quarter of the allotted time. It’s really funny that he described it as “time crunching” and “adrenaline pumping”.