Classical liberalism is an iteration of liberalism. It is not liberalism. There are also Democratic liberalism and social liberalism among many others. Almost all lean left of center with classic liberalism being more center
Yea but neoliberals are not left. The fuck do you think US democrats are classic liberals? Also classic liberals are still capitalist supporting fuckwits, so the distinction is irrelevant when discussing the modern left.
Right and there is more than classic liberalism. As I said. The majority of the others are left of center with classic liberalism being the outlier. Of which, Democrats still are right of classic liberalism
Being “left of center” is a comment about the Overton Window. People are trying to express to you about how outside of the extremely slanted window, liberals are all conservative, which is wholly and demonstrably correct.
When you’re the only one trying to use rose colored glasses, it behooves you to understand that most others will have a different perspective.
No, you are in .ml which is comparable to the trump supporters on the right. They have been radicalized and used various newspeak to create a unified voice that doesn’t conform with standard knowledge. This is why I have shown all kinds of sources that reinforce the idea that liberalism is center left while everyone from .ml is strictly applying Marxist theory as if it’s fact. Same experience arguing vaccines in r/conservative.
But I did and again this isn’t a source. You claim my sources are from liberal sources then go on to justify a reality they suits you. I’m sorry but this is similar reasoning I saw during COVID with people who denied vaccines and masking. I provided sources from everything from media, authorities like dictionaries and university’s and even historical quotes from political scientist. Marx fits this but is one of many lenses. The status quo is liberals are Left of center with some like classic liberals being more right of center.
What does “left” mean to you? What did it originally mean when it first became a phrase, and how does that apply to modern times? Again, I may be a Marxist, but this is a dominant viewpoint outside of highly western, liberal publications, and it isn’t just Marxists that have this understanding of right and left. Trying to equate my logic to anti-vaxx movements is just a baseless jab that avoids answering the arguments I made.
Not doing this. You tell me what you accept as an authority or source on this and I’ll decide if it is reasonable or not. Just like if I was speaking to someone on vaccinations and they told me something like CDC or other health agencies globally are just too mainstream to do the real science and that they would only accept druthers. I need to know what your sources are to figure out if you’re a serious person or not.
Even socialliberalism is still for capitalism, meaning it is right wing ideology. Not to mention every single time any declared socialliberal gets elected it turns out they are just ordinary neoliberal austerity ghoul.
Classical liberalism is an iteration of liberalism. It is not liberalism. There are also Democratic liberalism and social liberalism among many others. Almost all lean left of center with classic liberalism being more center
Yea but neoliberals are not left. The fuck do you think US democrats are classic liberals? Also classic liberals are still capitalist supporting fuckwits, so the distinction is irrelevant when discussing the modern left.
Right and there is more than classic liberalism. As I said. The majority of the others are left of center with classic liberalism being the outlier. Of which, Democrats still are right of classic liberalism
Being “left of center” is a comment about the Overton Window. People are trying to express to you about how outside of the extremely slanted window, liberals are all conservative, which is wholly and demonstrably correct.
When you’re the only one trying to use rose colored glasses, it behooves you to understand that most others will have a different perspective.
No, you are in .ml which is comparable to the trump supporters on the right. They have been radicalized and used various newspeak to create a unified voice that doesn’t conform with standard knowledge. This is why I have shown all kinds of sources that reinforce the idea that liberalism is center left while everyone from .ml is strictly applying Marxist theory as if it’s fact. Same experience arguing vaccines in r/conservative.
Deeply unserious behavior. Again, see my comment here.
But I did and again this isn’t a source. You claim my sources are from liberal sources then go on to justify a reality they suits you. I’m sorry but this is similar reasoning I saw during COVID with people who denied vaccines and masking. I provided sources from everything from media, authorities like dictionaries and university’s and even historical quotes from political scientist. Marx fits this but is one of many lenses. The status quo is liberals are Left of center with some like classic liberals being more right of center.
What does “left” mean to you? What did it originally mean when it first became a phrase, and how does that apply to modern times? Again, I may be a Marxist, but this is a dominant viewpoint outside of highly western, liberal publications, and it isn’t just Marxists that have this understanding of right and left. Trying to equate my logic to anti-vaxx movements is just a baseless jab that avoids answering the arguments I made.
Not doing this. You tell me what you accept as an authority or source on this and I’ll decide if it is reasonable or not. Just like if I was speaking to someone on vaccinations and they told me something like CDC or other health agencies globally are just too mainstream to do the real science and that they would only accept druthers. I need to know what your sources are to figure out if you’re a serious person or not.
Even socialliberalism is still for capitalism, meaning it is right wing ideology. Not to mention every single time any declared socialliberal gets elected it turns out they are just ordinary neoliberal austerity ghoul.