Bert Hubert took time to answer substantially to Miguel De Bruyker.

https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/ft-on-european-cloud/

Thanks. I doubt it is that simple for most people.

So, Mastodon is structurally libertarian, but de facto culturally pluralistic?

I have seen it pointed out that some of these 66 agencies are really platforms, treaties and commissions, not organisations. Is there an analysis of this?

I posted it to make people aware of the European dimension to this decision, which is sofar not mentioned by policy makers or media. Perhaps someone reads it and will take it up in a discourse outside Lemmy.

When I arrived at the man from a small nation like Austria, I realised you were sarcastic. Well done.

Believe what exactly?

I posted it to understand how it was affecting the rest of the world, and Europe in particular, not to make a reflection on wider US policy. So far I haven’t heard reactions from the UN, from the EU, from the governments of EU member states, or from the mayors of the cities that host these organisations.

That’s a bit of a polemic comment. Nothing of this will happen. We are talking about 66 small organisations all over the world.

I know, but my intention was not to have a debate on Stephen Miller (on which I have much to say but this is not the forum), but on the implications in Europe for this Europe-based international organisations. Nobody has written about this so far.

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Is there any discussion (anywhere!) on what this might imply for these Europe-based international organisations (funding, staffing, projects)?

Many of these organisations, also funded by the EU or EU member states (17 are EU-based), are now suddenly in serious financial disarray. I doubt that the EU will react and these organisations are too small and too institutional to react much themselves. I know a couple of them (besides the IPCC, which we all know) and can confirm that they do great work.

17 are EU-based.

Handbook on cognitive biases “that are particularly common and relevant to intelligence work” (67 pages) published by the Swiss Federal Intelligence Service (FIS) https://www.vbs.admin.ch/dam/en/sd-web/K489QrrPSDvt/vbs-ddps-ndb-handbuch-kognitive- verzerrung-en.pdf

Yes, I searched for the Italian and French versions. No success.

So it is a hopeless case?

Since Lemmy is a volunteer community-driven initiative, I would start with creating a community called “Lemmy user experience” (or Lemmy UX, Lemmy User Interface or Lemmy UI, it doesn’t matter) and start collecting community suggestions. Possibly also encouraging others who have written about that topic on Lemmy or other forums to contribute. That way you start creating evidence for developers that help them prioritise their efforts.

LOL, this poor guy…the only sane person in an insane asylum. How bad is it? Only about 4% of global cloud infrastructure capacity is European‑owned, with most European governments, firms, and citizens relying on US hyperscalers.

More background:

Average investment in telecom and digital infrastructure per operator in Europe is less than half that in the US, with a total connectivity investment gap to 2030 estimated at at least €174bn and likely over €200bn to hit EU “Digital Decade” gigabit and 5G targets.

EU telecom policy has historically favored many national and sub‑national operators, leaving Europe with over 100 mobile operators and only about 5m subscribers per operator on average, versus roughly 107m in the US and 467m in China, which undermines scale and returns on capital for big 5G and fiber

Fragmented capital markets (27 different regimes) and shallower venture and growth equity pools make it harder to scale home‑grown cloud, AI, and semiconductor players compared with US deep capital markets and Chinese state‑directed finance. roll‑outs

The EU is a regulatory superpower (GDPR, Digital Markets Act, AI Act), but multiple analyses argue that “over‑regulation” is overstated; business surveys show lack of skilled staff, energy costs, and uncertainty rank higher as barriers to investment than regulation, which tends to come fourth and often from national, not EU, rules.

The more specific critique is that Europe leaned heavily on competition and privacy law without pairing them with an ambitious infrastructure and industrial build‑out, leaving it as a regulator of US platforms rather than an owner of its own stack.

The cost of nationalism. The nostalgia for their little nation statelets is costing Europeans their sovereignty. Which is ironic as the little nationalists are all about sovereignty but in reality help outside powers to colonialise Europe.

It’s time for an emotionally painful but necessary goodbye to the European nation state. Europe needs a single capital and service market where startups and Tech companies can scale up as rapidly as in the US and China and pool capital from across the continent following a single set of rules rather than being bogged down with 27 mini markets.

If this can’t be done at an EU level then a coalition of the willing should go ahead. According to a study the remaining internal barriers in the EU are equivalent to a 44% tariff on intra EU trade. Worse than anything Donald Trump has imposed. The first countries to achieve this will create immense additional prosperity.

European nationalism is Europe’s biggest threat to its prosperity and sovereignty, worse than Russia, China and the US combined.