BigAssFan

Not as astounding as your lack of responsibility.

I can’t see that since I’m not lying. I’m too fascinated by you believing the lies of the meat industry instead.

If you think I’m lying there’s no sense in arguing. Please talk to other vegans about this subject.

I’m trying to get some sense into you, that misusing animals, heating up the planet and destroying nature is a bad thing to do. But it seems you stubbornly refuse to hear any of it, looking for excuses to keep your current behaviour. But things need to change, not only for animals and nature, but also for our next generations.

You don’t know shit about me.

Oops sorry, discussion was closed already.

I’m talking about the general (mostly western world) public, not the few people with special medical conditions or those with limited access to foodstuffs. But tell me, is there nothing I write here acceptable for you or do you only pick out the things you can comment on?

Not anytime soon, I agree, but the way that humans are conducting themselves presently is not sustainable. Nature will of course survive, as it has already been through 5 mass extinction events previously, but mankind will either be decimated or exterminated. By going vegan this can be mitigated.

You can easily get all the nutrients you need from plants, without the related animal suffering, climate warming or land use. So what’s left is just that meat (& dairy) tastes good, which is human-centred temporary pleasure at the expense of innocent creatures, specifically bred for that purpose.

About 80% (!) of the agricultural area worldwide is used for cattle - grasslands and plants that are specifically grown to feed animals. It’s not like they eat the parts that humans don’t want, they eat protein-rich corn and soy so they produce meat and milk as fast as possible.

Well Mr. Knowitall, let me help you in you nuanced world view that you’re so well known for. Hunting isn’t the main source of meat consumption worldwide, cattle is. Together with humans, this adds up to about 95-97% of all terrestrial mammal biomass, depending on what research result you care to follow. Your brother is making life more miserable for the remaining percentage who have a tough time holding on as it is. Keeping the population in check is just an excuse that hunters use to justify their love for killing off animals. Often it takes a second or third shot for the final kill, letting the animal suffer in the mean time. Also, predation isn’t the main driver for a population size, the amount of available food is. Although natural predators do help in keeping the ecosystem healthy, which indirectly leads to more stable populations. People can’t do that really, we’re only suitable for extermination, as we’ve proven time and time again. You speak of thousands of years as if that means anything in nature, where ecosystems have existed for hundreds of thousands of years. Besides, human population density is only something of the last two centuries.

No need to remind me of my shortcomings, I’m well aware of them. But you do know that meat consumption requires more plants and associated animal harm than a vegan diet, right?

When we stop breeding farm animals now they will be gone in about 20 years time, or sooner when bloodthirsty types like yourself will have a go at them. Their place will then be taken by wild animals, in more abundant nature because way less area is required for our plant-based food production.

Anyway, eating meat is a choice, which does not benefit the animals being eaten. It is only for human pleasure. And for humans it’s not even necessary to eat meat, as we’re omnivores. You can still have tasty meals without meat, believe me.

But hey, I’m done with this discussion, you’ll probably never agree to any point I make. Take care, perhaps you have some vegetarians or vegans nearby that you might talk to, so you can start to live more sustainably, together with the rest of the 8 billion we number.

PS: calling me a moron does prove my point of you lacking empathy. Please do better than that.

Literally no idea. You can’t see cause and effect, can you? No sense of empathy neither. Ah well, you’re not alone, unfortunately. For the moment.

Common sense to stop meat consumption also has not worked sufficiently until now. Any ideas for a better strategy? Or just plunge forward into an inhabitable planet, discarding any responsibility, mistreating animals as we go?

First time ever!

Should name products made from animals as they are: spherical gassed pig after a short, miserable life without ever seeing daylight. Or: salty fat from methane burping cows that could also have fed their killed off offspring.

Also bad for your health in the long run, because meat is heating up the atmosphere and outcompetes nature that would otherwise store CO2.

Really cool flasgun.

When you drop your Fairphone, you can easily repair it. Still on my FP4, no need to change, really. Only updated the battery once.

These fingernails really make me uncomfortable.

On Mastodon I have no trouble interacting with other users there. I have 2 accounts running on different instances - one global and one local. No trouble at all finding an account on either of them.

Just get a Fairphone, with every module screwed into place. Except the battery, you can just take that out by hand.