From smart speakers and fitness trackers to Wi-Fi fridges and interconnected air fryers, smart products have integrated seamlessly into people’s homes and everyday lives – in fact, research shows that four in five Brits own at least one.*
Easy enough! except, that most people don’t even know what is a VLAN, let alone have any network device that supports it. It takes a special kind of router to have such settings, and no, OpenWRT is not the solution for that as they have limitations on the minimum amount of memory the device has to have
It takes a special kind of router to have such settings
Eh, most good quality routers from reputable companies can handle separate VLANs just fine. My old Asus RT-N66U had that capability right out of the box.
But, as already stated, most people don’t even change the default password on their router, much less know what a VLAN even is.
You need to readjust your point of view, friend. It’s not a skill issue. It’s a “most people don’t have the kind of experience necessary to even begin to understand what goes on inside the magic internet box” issue. You’re speaking on a completely different level.
The average Joe doesn’t possess that capability in the slightest. It’s just Joe from Finance. The only time they interact with a computer in any meaningful capacity is at work, where IT fixes their problems.
The average Joe is someone who declares “the wifi is broken” when they forget the password to their online banking portal.
The average Joe will take their kid’s stick-drifting Nintendo Switch to the Geek Squad at Best Buy and get upsold a Switch 2 instead of listening to their kid and getting it fixed at the local repair shop next door for $50.
It means you don’t know how to make it work. Last I checked, a used N100 all in one PC with dual Ethernet is cheaper than even most brand new consumer routers, and also sips watts.
also, in my area most people either use the ISP router, or buy the cheapest ones which is around 50-75 eur which there are plenty, and they are already complaining that it’s too expensive
The largest majority of people also can’t be bothered to do a single shred of research before buying something. How is that anyone else’s problem but theirs?
The best consumer protection comes from the consumer. Do a bit of research before you buy something.
If you can’t be bothered to take a few extra minutes to do that, then quite frankly, you deserve to be fucked by scammers.
Dude. I am an almost 50 year old, former truck driver with no formal education on any of this shit, and yet, I managed to figure it out.
“I, a person of a low status, figured it out. Therefore I am better, and you’re stupid and lower than me if you can’t do the same thing”
That’s literally elitism, my dude. You’re acting as if figuring out a specialty task somehow puts you on a higher pedestal than others who don’t happen to have that same skillset.
Like, you did a thing, good for you, but now you’re being an absolute assclown about it and pulling up the ladder instead of being even remotely helpful.
largest majority of smarthome shit users don’t know or care how computers work. are you willing to legally ban them from buying these garbage? or what is the solution?
and then they need to set it up (wtf, they have issues navigating their phones), and get it maintained (updates)
Because when manufacturers see that they can get away with this shit, they will all start doing it, and then you can stick up your research because there will be nothing else.
Easy enough! except, that most people don’t even know what is a VLAN, let alone have any network device that supports it. It takes a special kind of router to have such settings, and no, OpenWRT is not the solution for that as they have limitations on the minimum amount of memory the device has to have
Eh, most good quality routers from reputable companies can handle separate VLANs just fine. My old Asus RT-N66U had that capability right out of the box.
But, as already stated, most people don’t even change the default password on their router, much less know what a VLAN even is.
So it’s a skill issue, then? Got it. Any old PC + a $10 pcie network adapter can be turned into a router capable of it.
You need to readjust your point of view, friend. It’s not a skill issue. It’s a “most people don’t have the kind of experience necessary to even begin to understand what goes on inside the magic internet box” issue. You’re speaking on a completely different level.
Do you see where I’m going with this?
it is first and foremost a
Hardware issue.
but also who the fuck wants to have a power hungry PC as the router. old PC, so we can probably count with 80 W at the least
but also, how the fuck would a PC help with the skill issue?
Here, let me help.
https://ebay.us/m/3res0I
Less than 20 USD.
Like I said. Not willing to even try to look for something appropriate for your use case…
That’s an auction, my dude. It’s already at $26, not including the $22 shipping charge.
It means you don’t know how to make it work. Last I checked, a used N100 all in one PC with dual Ethernet is cheaper than even most brand new consumer routers, and also sips watts.
also, in my area most people either use the ISP router, or buy the cheapest ones which is around 50-75 eur which there are plenty, and they are already complaining that it’s too expensive
cheapest n100 I see here is 100 eur: https://www.amazon.fr/intel-n100/s?k=intel+n100
I’m not in france.
You can’t buy used on Amazon. I said used
The largest majority of people also can’t be bothered to do a single shred of research before buying something. How is that anyone else’s problem but theirs?
The best consumer protection comes from the consumer. Do a bit of research before you buy something.
If you can’t be bothered to take a few extra minutes to do that, then quite frankly, you deserve to be fucked by scammers.
and this is exactly how being fucked by scammers will become normal
stop with your fucking elitism and start thinking what to do for those whos work/hobby is not in IT, because that’s 99.999% of people.
It’s not elitism to say “If you want something done right, do it yourself.”
Elitism?
Dude. I am an almost 50 year old, former truck driver with no formal education on any of this shit, and yet, I managed to figure it out.
If you can’t, then that’s most assuredly a YOU problem.
SURELY you’re smarter than a truck driver?
“I, a person of a low status, figured it out. Therefore I am better, and you’re stupid and lower than me if you can’t do the same thing”
That’s literally elitism, my dude. You’re acting as if figuring out a specialty task somehow puts you on a higher pedestal than others who don’t happen to have that same skillset.
Like, you did a thing, good for you, but now you’re being an absolute assclown about it and pulling up the ladder instead of being even remotely helpful.
It’s not about me, but about all the people around me
largest majority of smarthome shit users don’t know or care how computers work. are you willing to legally ban them from buying these garbage? or what is the solution?
and then they need to set it up (wtf, they have issues navigating their phones), and get it maintained (updates)
Again. That’s a lack of skill. Why is it my problem?
If they can’t be bothered to do 5 minutes of research before buying something, that’s on them.
Caveat emptor.
Because when manufacturers see that they can get away with this shit, they will all start doing it, and then you can stick up your research because there will be nothing else.
Only if it’s made too hard for a new company or more options to emerge.