Just opening discussion, haha!

I mean if non-proton conversation isn’t allowed, I’m just comparing, haha lol!

Okay seriously though.

The three services I’m exploring are:

  • Email (with email aliases)
  • VPN
  • Cloud Storage
  • Avid Amoeba@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    41
    ·
    edit-2
    21 hours ago

    I think that, if we want something fash-resistant we probably need something by a worker co-op where the whole org has to be fash to be a problem. I’m not aware of such services. A non-profit like Proton is next on the list. I’m not aware of another non-profit email provider. Tuta seems interesting but they’re for-profit.

    Also any of those should be based somewhere in Europe since the US regulatory regime is weak and about to get weaker. Email isn’t end-to-end encrypted so its privacy depends on the regulatory regime of the provider.

    • Semi-Hemi-Lemmygod@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      23
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      21 hours ago

      It’s times like this that make me thankful Lemmy is written by a bunch of tankies, even if they’ve banned me.

        • empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          13 hours ago

          They tried to though. Dessalines was trying to hard code a very egregious set of censored “hate” words into the Lemmy back end for a while before the (still tiny) community threw a huge shit fit about it.

          • ERROR: Earth.exe has crashed@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            13 hours ago

            Yea, that isn’t gonna fly in modern day Lemmy. I’m sure there are non-tankie programmers that are willing to work on a fork, that’d definitely splinter Lemmy into 2 different “fediverses”, one under the tankie branch, one under the new non-tankie fork. I don’t think the devs want that. They seem to be very anti-corporate, and such a move that would splinter the Lemmy community would only benefit big tech.

      • Avid Amoeba@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        14
        ·
        edit-2
        21 hours ago

        Oh yeah. It took me a while to figure out they have much more in common with my interest than the wealthy techbros.

      • tb_@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        10 hours ago

        That’s pretty cool, though their prices for cloud storage are a little higher than I was hoping for.

      • Avid Amoeba@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        9
        ·
        edit-2
        19 hours ago

        Hm. Is this production Nextcloud and email run by a coop? This might indeed be what I’m looking for. I don’t need someone’s proprietary software. Well run FOSS in the cloud might be more than enough.

    • PassingThrough@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      17
      ·
      20 hours ago

      Honestly, it is my expectancy that if the US goes down that worst possible outcome, and they start passing laws that make you worry about your communications, then the “US Cyber Defense Platform(Great Firewall)” will also be quick to pass, argued to protect the children from porn, rights holders from piracy, and of course will quickly expand to any service that doesn’t agree to an encryption back door so they can look for “terrorists”.

      In that case, Proton and any non-surveillance allied service is out. Email as we know it is pretty unsafe, and if you want to use email privately you will have to learn to provide your own encryption via PGP and the like, most likely through your own server even, and you will stress to ensure proper configuration.

      Or get to another method(like Matrix configured for E2E) before they get pulled from your App Store for not complying with the Patriot Act 2.0, and be ready to learn the safest way to sideload updates, and how to dodge around the Bigly Firewall to connect with international users.

      • rumba@lemmy.zip
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        18 hours ago

        Honestly, if it went that far, They could just outlaw encryption altogether. Require all SSL to include their back door and they DPI everything on the way through. If anything doesn’t work on the DPI, they log it and drop it. We’ll end up having AI write us novels where you can take predetermined word order to create encoded messages

        • PassingThrough@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          16 hours ago

          If it went that far, we’d be back to offline communication and small communities, because the AI would be programmed to tattle on us. :)

          It’s a fascinating question actually how far technology could be used against us, and how long the “underground” could continue to use it before we’d have to continuously invent something completely new just to communicate, until we just loop back around to word of mouth or smuggled paper missives. A lot of people think that the cat is out of the bag on mass communication, that we can never be silenced again but I’m never quite so sure…

          • rumba@lemmy.zip
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            8 hours ago

            I don’t know, I’m kind of excited about moving back to code talking and pulling select passages out of books.