Police investigation remains open. The photo of one of the minors included a fly; that is the logo of Clothoff, the application that is presumably being used to create the images, which promotes its services with the slogan: “Undress anybody with our free service!”
Indeed, once the AI gets good enough, the value of pictures and videos will plummet to zero.
Ironically, in a sense we will revert back to the era before photography existed. To verify if something is real, we might have to rely on witness testimony.
Politics is about to get WILD
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Shit’s going to get real emotional
I’d vote for Terry Crews. No lie.
This is not going to work. Just because images and videos become less reliable that doesn’t mean we will forget about the fact that eyewitness testimony is very unreliable.
You say “forget” like it’s not still incredibly common as evidence.
There’s lots of data showing that eyewitnesses aren’t reliable but that doesn’t mean courts actually stopped relying on it. Ai making another form of evidence untrustworthy will result in eyewitnesses taking its place.
This just isn’t true. They will still be used to sexualise people, mostly girls and women, against their consent. It’s no different from AI-generated child pornography. It does harm even if no ‘real’ people appear in the images.
Fucking horrible world we’re forced to live in. Where’s the fucking exit?
It is different than AI-generated CSAM because real people are actually being harmed by these deepfake images.
I was replying to someone who was claiming they aren’t harmful as long as everyone knows they’re fake. Maybe nitpick them, not me?
Reak kids are harmed by AI CSAM normalising a problem they should be seeking help for, not getting off on.
How about no. Look up on wikipedia what countries have ruled fictional CP is legal, but CSAM with actual children is as illegal as here. Then check the level of technological development, financial development and political stability of them. Not seeing a pattern? Then check the number of sexual assaults in those countries compared to countries of similar development levels. Now check the number of sexual assaults across ALL ages and genders in countries where all pornography is illegal.
Now, I’m not going to make any absolute claims. All I know is that actual psychologists have spoken out about the line between harmless (as in, would never consider harming a child) pedophiles and people who would be rapists even if they weren’t sexualizing kids, and 15 year olds have spent time in a prison for age-of-majority sexual offenders because some asshole pedo creep with hacking skills used the teenage boy’s computer as remote storage for CSAM material and the teen was arrested for someone else’s crime.
I get why this is a controversial topic. I hate people who harm kids too. Just realize that laws meant to “protect kids” can end up harming kids (not to mention adults who are not guilty of crimes) or even fail to recognize that people hurting kids goes way beyond pedophile sickos and non-sexual violence against kids has itself become a serious problem yet is not being acknowledged.
The laws as they are need to start taking a more generalist view of this, because when pastors can get away with this disgusting behavior and judges can send a completely innocent 10 year old to juvie for a $500 kickback and not even flinch when the boy commits suicide, or a judge even sending an autistic boy who killed someone to the death penalty instead of accepting the insanity plea?
It says we (adults in general) don’t really care about children, only looking like we do.
Not getting beyond your first sentence here. I am not interested in what fucked up laws have been passed. Nor in engaging with someone who wants to argue that any form of child porn is somehow OK.
Then go fucking die. People like you are what’s wrong with this fucking witch hunt.
You know what? Fuck everyone who downvoted me, and guess what? Tell lemmy.ca’s admins to change their fucking password, because I know where you live and I’m going to murder both of you. You are the ones putting actual kids in danger, not me.
Im addressing you because you made the claim they are equivalent when they clearly are not.
No I didn’t. Go nitpick someone else.
Or better still, explain why you think AI-generated CSAM isn’t harmful. FFS
Let’s be real here:
Sure, it’s not illegal. But if I find “those kinds” of AI-generated images on someone’s phone or computer, the fact that it’s AI-generated will not improve my view of that person in any possible way.
Even if it’s technically “legal”.
They tellin’ on themselves.
People who consume any kind of cp are dangerous and encouraging thar behavior is just as criminal. I’m glad that shit is illegal in most civilized countries.
Sauce that allowing computer generated cp causes more harm?
How is this place infested with so many fucking nonces?
I made no claims about “more harm” so what imaginary claim are you referring to in your attempt to justify CSAM?
Oh, so you want more harm. Curious.
A bit off topic, but I wonder if the entertainment industry as a whole is going to be completely destroyed by AI when it gets good enough.
I can totally see myself prompting “a movie about love in the style of Star Wars, with Ryan Gosling and Audrey Hepburn as the leads, directed by Alfred Hitchcock, written by Vincent Hugo.” And then what? It’s game over for any content creation.
Curious if I’ll see that kind of power at home (using open source tools) in my lifetime.
I envisage a world where your browsing Netflix, and based on past preferences some of the title cards are generated on the fly for you. Then based on what you click, the AI engine warms us and generates the film for you in real-time. Essentially indistinguishable from the majority of Hollywood regurgitation.
And because the script is just a series of autogenerated prompts, its like a choose your own adventure book, you can steer the narrative the way you want if you elect to. Otherwise it’ll be good enough to keep most monkey brains happy and you won’t even be able to tell the difference most of the time.
Then the real money will be in hipster retro human-generated movies
And it will work, because we’ve grown used to Hollywood being so repetitive.
I know it’s impossible to perfectly predict future technology, but I believe AI will exist alongside traditional filmmaking. You’ll NEVER get something with the emotional impact of Up or Schindler’s List from an AI. You’ll be able to make fun action or fantasy movies though, and like you said, fully customized for the viewer. I imagine it’ll be like CGI vs traditional animation now - you only see the latter for passion projects, but for most uses, CGI works well enough.
This is already starting to happen for digital illustration. With better models and enough images saved, you can already train a model to replicate the art created by an artist.
Not so much replicate as simulate or produce art on the style of that artist.
AI can’t replicate a piece of art unless it’s only trained on that one piece of art, at which point you don’t need an AI to make a copy anyway.
If you trained an AI on two paintings by the same artist, it will never produce either original painting, only blends of the two.
That is why I wrote replicate the art (color composition, image composition, style elements, tone, etc.) not the art pieces. I also never wrote one or two images but enough images …
Cool, we are on the same page
Holy shit, I never thought of the whole witness testimony aspect. For some reason my mind was just like “well, nothing we see in videos or pictures is real anymore, guess everyone is just gonna devolve into believing whatever confirms their bias and argue endlessly about which pictures are fake and which are real.”
Witness testimony and live political interactions are going to become incredibly important for how our society views “the truth” in world events in the near future. I don’t know if I love or hate that.
Not necessarily, solutions can implemented. For example, footage from private security cameras can be sent to trusted establishment (trusted by the court at least) in real time which can be timestamped and stored (maybe not necessarily even stored there, encryption with timestamp may be enough). If source private camera and the network is secure, footage is also secure.
All they’d need to send to trusted servers is some basic metadata and hashes of segments of video. That’s enough to verify that the video hasn’t been tampered with after it was filmed as long as you trust the hashing function.
I don’t think that will matter very much considering how many real time video modifications we can do already today. Not to mention synthesizing video before the time it is supposed to take place.
Network security is a pretty big ask though - just look at how many unsecured cameras are around now. And once an attacker is in anything generated on that network becomes suspect - how do you know the security camera feed wasn’t intercepted, manipulated, or replaced altogether?
FTFY. Witness has never been that good a means to verify something is real.
Maybe there will be cameras as well that sign the pictures they take?
Thats why we need Blockchain Technology…
Check Blockchain Camera for example: https://github.com/sv1sjp/Blockchain_Camera
Abstract:
Blockchain Camera provides an easy and safe way to capture and guarantee the existence of videos reducing the impact of modified videos as it can preserve the integrity and validity of videos using Blockchain Technology. Blockchain Camera sends to Ethereum Network the hash of each video and the time the video has been recorded in order to be able validate that a video is genuine and hasn't been modified using a Blockchain Camera Validation Tool.How exactly does that prevent someone from uploading a fake video?
The point is to know the time that a video has been uploaded as well as the previous and next videos from it for uses as security cameras, accidents in cars etc to be able to trust a video. (More information can be found on paper).
It won’t, you’ll just be able to verify a source
Not even that. It only allows you to verify that the source is identical to (the potentially wrong information) that was claimed at the time of recording by the person adding that information to the block chain. Blockchain, as usual, adds nothing here.
It proves that the video could not have been created at a later time.
it can add trust. If there’s a trusted central authority where these hashes can be stored then there’s no need for a blockchain. However, if there isn’t, then a blockchain could be used instead, as long as it’s big and established enough that everybody can agree that the data stored on it cannot be manipulated
but false, nonconsensual nudes are not collectible items that need to have their authenticity proven. they are there to destroy peoples’ lives. even if 99% of people seeing your nude believe you it’s not authnetic, it still affects you heavily
of course not, but that’s not what this comment thread is about. It’s about this:
that’s where it can be very useful to store a fingerprint of a file in a trusted database, regardless of where that database gets its trust from
sure, but again: why woudl anyone like to do that with consensual or nonconsensual nudes?
yeah but the problem is mere existance of tools allowing pornographic forgery, not verifying whether the material is real or not
How is that better than an immutable database where you guarantee trust simply by gettin your own public hash receipt for the database every time you introduce a new item? Why obfuscate things by riding the “Blockchain” hype bandwagon?
Who manages and guarantees that immutable database?
A nonprofit with multiple synchronized copies of the database and you can get your own copy, synchronize, fork it if you have the space, like a GitLab repository. Remember this is not for secure transactions and to prevent double-spending like a currency. It’s just an additive database. You don’t need to overkill with a blockchain.
Can you name a nonprofit you’d trust to manage court admissable evidence? How do you resolve differences that can pop up when forks don’t agree?
Look, Git exists and image or document registration in an official onine database is Git diffs with less functionality because you can’t remove previous commits: you just append new lines. This is a solved problem. If you’re trying to solve a double-spend problem, then you need more than that, but it’s overkill for your problem.
PS: maybe I’m oversimplifying it, but here’s more discussion on this:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/46192377/why-is-git-not-considered-a-block-chain
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/59509764/is-git-distributed-or-decentralized
I know it’s frowned on to modify the history of a remote branch, and I haven’t done much research on it because of that, however I’m fairly certain you can modify the history.
So…who hosts the gitlab/GitHub server that you’d trust to never manipulate the git history?
You still haven’t answered my question of which nonprofit you’d think everyone would agree with should host such a service.
There are examples like DNS or the Mozilla foundation or all sorts of repos. Due to the receipt system you can verify if the commit history has been tampered with (your image has been removed from the database or edited). For court documents each court could host its own database where checksums are verified periodically, by “oracles”.