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    in the same way the us wouldn’t be allowed to join csto

    Have NATO countries complained of CSTO expansion? Has the US been denied entry into CSTO? Has the CSTO expanded against the will of NATO?

    i don’t see how it’s nato’s fault that people are so sick of russia’s shit that they’re signing up to the defensive alliance against them in their droves

    It’s NATO’s fault for consisting of the absolutely most grotesque reaches of Imperialist countries, and expanding against the wishes of non-NATO countries.

    nato expansion that existed because of russian land grabs

    Bzzzt wrong. NATO has been expanding long before.

    this is just you doing the thing you accused me of doing by refusing to consider externalities

    Quite the contrary, you’re deliberately erasing historical context.

    russia didn’t start misbehavin’ after 2022 either

    When and why did Russia start “misbehavin?”

    east germany was part of the warsaw pact, and had plenty of ex-nazis in its ranks

    Whataboutism, lmao. East-Germany purged Nazis, that’s one of the reasons the west complains that the GDR was authoritarian. NATO was led by Nazis.

    Anyone that considers themselves a good person cannot be *pro-*NATO. You can disagree with Russia’s invasion of Ukraine without being pro-NATO.

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      Has the US been denied entry into CSTO? Has the CSTO expanded against the will of NATO?

      i don’t think nato cares about csto

      It’s NATO’s fault for consisting of the absolutely most grotesque reaches of Imperialist countries

      russia is literally doing an imperialism right now, but nato is the one with grotesque reaches, okay

      Bzzzt wrong. NATO has been expanding long before.

      lmao because nato predates russia

      and russia started getting into iffy wars basically at its inception

      When and why did Russia start “misbehavin?”

      probably because they’re an imperialist power? i don’t know

      East-Germany purged Nazis

      okay

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        i don’t think nato cares about csto

        So then why bring it up?

        russia is literally doing an imperialism right now, but nato is the one with grotesque reaches, okay

        Invasion and Imperialism are not the same thing. Regardless of the morality or immorality of invasion, NATO retains its status as Imperialist via surplus extraction and exploitation of the Global South.

        lmao because nato predates russia

        and russia started getting into iffy wars basically at its inception

        This kinda verges on anti-Russian racism, there’s no analysis of why you believe this.

        probably because they’re an imperialist power? i don’t know

        You indeed do not know.

        okay

        The GDR indeed purged Nazis, as they were attacked by western Germany, which largely retained its Nazis.

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          So then why bring it up?

          because it’s the closest equivalent to nato? the us also wouldn’t be allowed to join brics, if that helps de-confuse you.

          Invasion and Imperialism are not the same thing.

          please provide a definition for imperialism that doesn’t include what russia’s doing in ukraine now

          This kinda verges on anti-Russian racism, there’s no analysis of why you believe this.

          says the one who’s just been continuously stating without expounding that nato is a collection of spooky imperialist powers

          You indeed do not know.

          The GDR indeed purged Nazis, as they were attacked by western Germany, which largely retained its Nazis.

          or don’t respond to what i posted that’s cool too i guess

          i think it’s pretty clear you don’t have much of an argument here, given that this started as “nato is a protection racket” and across 6 replies you’ve provided absolutely nothing to support that statement past whinging

          peace

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            because it’s the russian equivalent to nato? the us also wouldn’t be allowed to join brics, if that helps de-confuse you.

            It’s the Russian equivalent, you say, except the power dynamic is entirely different and CSTO isn’t expanding. Interesting.

            please provide a definition for imperialism that doesn’t include what russia’s doing in ukraine now

            Export of Industrial and Financial Capital to exploited Countries to super-exploit for super-profits, like an international Capitalistic relation. You know, the standard definition Leftists follow.

            says the one who’s just been continuously stating without expounding that nato is a collection of spooky imperialist powers

            I have explained how and why, your refusal to read is no longer my problem.

            i think it’s pretty clear you don’t have much of an argument here, given that this started as “nato is a protection racket” and across 6 replies you’ve provided absolutely nothing to support that statement past whinging

            Quite the contrary, your selective reading and blinders mean you can’t be reached with words.

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              alright you get one more, then i kind of need to stop wasting my time with you unless you get more entertaining quickly

              it’s the Russian equivalent, you say, except the power dynamic is entirely different and CSTO isn’t expanding. Interesting.

              because nobody wants to join the alliance run by the country most likely to invade you? “russia is too disliked for their alliance to be popular” or “russia is too incompetent to run an effective alliance” is an incredible argument

              why don’t we ask azerbaijan and armenia how their membership is going if you’re confused as to why csto is unpopular?

              Export of Industrial and Financial Capital to exploited Countries to super-exploit for super-profits, like an international Capitalistic relation.

              ohhhhhhh so you mean like sending in pmcs to countries in africa? or setting up debt traps for countries in africa?

              I have explained how and why, your refusal to read is no longer my problem.

              Quite the contrary, your selective reading and blinders mean you can’t be reached with words.

              literally nothing you’ve said has justified nato behaving in an imperialist way, other than your definition of imperialism, which includes russia and china, so good job

              to paraphrase you, “membership expansion isn’t imperialism”, which is the only thing you’ve been arguing over, which is wild when the thing you’re meant to be justifying is that “nato is a protection racket”.

              i don’t think you know what a protection racket is