• queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
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    1 year ago

    Death rates aren’t a feeling. I want some hard numbers.

    I feel like we just don’t care if we live or die anymore.

    • AntiOutsideAktion [he/him]@hexbear.net
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      1 year ago

      Fun fact: the CDC readjusted what the ‘normal’ rate of deaths is to include the years of the pandemic so now it’s harder than ever to find hard numbers because “excess deaths” was one of the last ways to get any information at all!

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        1 year ago

        Plus a world wide fast aging population would increase the death background number even if nothing else happens.

        Anything that doesn’t make an observable, statistically significant difference, has no cause to further impose restriction on how people live their lives

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          1 year ago

          Plus a world wide fast aging population would increase the death background number even if nothing else happens.

          Sharp edges don’t happen from demographic trends. This is pure rationalization.

          Further than what?? What restrictions??

          And what are you implying? Covid has no observable affect on public health? Tell that to the millions of people still getting disabled every year.

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        1 year ago

        For the love of god: everyone should ignores what the CDC says. You can see for yourself how many people died from Covid under their watch. They have no morals and they made it obvious by downplaying Covid

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      1 year ago

      I know I’ve read reports about the latest variants being much less deadly. I did see one study recently which for patients presenting to hospital covid was a few percentage points more likely to result in death compared to hospitalized flu patients. There were a lot more covid patients though.

      Found it:

      death rates among people hospitalized for COVID-19 were 17% to 21% in 2020 vs 6% in this study, while death rates for those hospitalized for influenza were 3.8% in 2020 vs 3.7% in this study

      https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2803749

      So there is some data backing up the feelings I’ve gotten from everything I’ve been hearing and seeing.

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          1 year ago

          I mean, that’s one way to look at it. I looked at it as only a couple percent higher death rate than the flu. Either way, a little less than 2x is way better than like 5x worse.

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            1 year ago

            Obviously it’s better than before, but it’s also worth keeping in mind these deaths are in addition to the flu.

            Also, there are good and bad flu seasons. I see no reason for COVID to not be the same.

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              1 year ago

              Even if we pedantically accept that ‘almost double’ is really ‘just a few percent higher’ while we’re looking at a single digit likelihood, ‘just a few percent more’ than for the flu is a lot more people in overall numbers with something that spreads far quicker than the flu. We could get the death rate of Covid down to ½ the rate for the flu but if infections are more than double (this is just an example, I don’t know the actual stats on this one), it still means Covid would be more deadly. Unless I’m missing something obvious.

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                1 year ago

                COVID is basically a year round disease where flu is seasonal. So yeah it’s gonna produce about an order of magnitude more death with just a few percent higher death rate.

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                  1 year ago

                  That’s how I understood it, too. Turns out it’s a difficult thing to comprehend, though.