Generally these sorts of feuds are a flash in the pan without breaking Kayfabe. This, however, is quite different.
Kendrick Lamar and Drake are two of the most successful artists in the industry. Their music appeals to very different tastes. Drake’s music has been relaxed, poppy, and laid-back. Think of the kind of hip-hop/pop that you’d listen to in a car with mixed company or at a bar. Kendrick Lamar’s work is much less approachable by pop-music standards. It’s more emotional, bitter, and raw. His most recent album feels almost like an explosive therapy session. They’ve both seen regular airtime, but Drake’s music is much more palatable to a wide audience.
Kendrick fans will see Drake’s music (and by extension, Drake himself) as “fake” or as a “sell-out” since his music aims for the most broad appeal possible without making a “statement”. Drake fans will see Kendrick and his music as “angsty”, downplaying Kendrick’s success since Drake is more popular in the “mainstream”.
They both have their pernicious aspects. Drake has allegedly used money and coercion to silence women that he’s slept with, allegedly isn’t super involved with the lives of his children, and allegedly surrounds himself with registered sex offenders (including allegations of questionable conduct coming from his Instagram account). Kendrick has… let’s say “complicated” opinions on R-Kelly and the way music platforms like Spotify responded to his downfall. However, to my knowledge, Kendrick faces far fewer allegations of sexual misconduct (at least nothing that’s publicly known).
What makes this particular “beef” (or feud) exceptional is the degree of vitriol coming from Kendrick toward Drake. And it’s not anything that Drake can really “defend” against. I’m not suggesting that Drake himself is a sex offender, but surrounding yourself with registered sex offenders is horrible optics. In addition, some of Drake’s entourage has flipped, becoming informants for Kendrick and confirming some of the rumors floating about.
Anyway, that’s my summary. Full disclosure: I personally prefer Kendrick’s music to Drake’s. However, I don’t really care too much about feuds in the rap world. I just hope no one resorts to violence.
Kayfabe is not rap culture but wrestler culture. For anyone who doesn’t know what it’s mean, is the make believe world that artists and fans pretend is true to keep the drama going on.
Basically, it means you stay in character at all times. If you’re being enemies with someone at the time, you can’t be seen being nice to them, ever, even if you’re all just colleagues and the fight is for ratings.
Not just that, but don’t acknowledge that it is a masquerade. Wrestling is “real” in that the performers and fans act like it is, even though everyone knows it isn’t.
Okay, I read the thread up to here to try and understand this thing and now I realize once again that there’s tons of people out there with which I don’t share the slightest common interest. Or look at reality. Or anything, really.
Jeez, how is that supposed to work, living together in the same political unit. How could even a well meaning government create a set of rules and boundaries which we both can sorta feel at home in.
Yes, but this goes way beyond just taste in music apparently. This is some weird team betting excersise and score keeping and I didn’t really get it but it seems to be way beyond “where do you scroll in Spotify after starting Car Play”. This isn’t about music apparently but about being fully invested in some kind of weird proxy war fought by questionable celebrities.
I mean, come to think about it, explains a lot why politics works these days the way it does.
I think it could be seen as “separate the art. From the artist”. Okay, yes, the artist is absolutely fucking horrific. But. If the music is alright, then it should be removed, especially if it helps others.
One example of this from me is Call Of Duty Advanced Warfare. Whilst there is an argument to be made about Spacey, I thoroughly enjoyed the campaign of that game and will replay it every so often. This has happened woth music artists that I thoroughly enjoy. Whilst I can’t name any off the top of my head, I think one or two may have been on the worse side.
There’s also a case for Elvis Presley, I have heard of bad things that he has done, and those are terrible actions, I do still enjoy his music.
For a really extreme example, Hitler. His actions and opinions are vile. But he was a talented painter.
My point being, I feel there is a case in Kendrick’s opinions of R Kelly that whilst he doesn’t support those actions, his views could be, fuck the artist, but don’t fuck the art.
Drake’s main new allegation is that Kendrick allegedly committed domestic violence against his wife, and that one of his friends could be the real father of their kid. Which Kendrick chose not to respond too.
I’m sure no one who is actually involved will resort to violence, only dumb fans would do that.
I don’t think it’s worth Kendrick’s time (or anyone’s) to respond to “your kid isn’t actually yours”. Not an attack on his character, not relevant to the discussion, and well-adjusted adults are able to move past this kind of infidelity.
Domestic violence would be fair game and definitely worthy of response. I’d be interested to hear what Kendrick has to say. His capacity for self-reflection was apparent in Mr Morale and it would make for a fascinating track. I do not hold out hope that we’ll see any real comments on this point on any diss track that comes from this beef. There are far too many easy targets for Kendrick to fire at and the subject deserves more than one or two lines in between verses calling Drake a pussy.
So I guess I’ll just step out of this discussion then because I still don’t know what all this is about and how it plays into much of anything. Seems to me like anyone can just say something about anyone else and that’s taken as truth?
IDK, consider this my last comment here. Clearly I don’t have enough understanding to make a useful point or ask relevant questions.
EDIT: I said I wouldn’t comment again so I’m just going to edit this. YouTube and Twitter are NOT valid sources for…well…anything.
It’s hard to answer because Drake groomer stuff been talked about for years now. He texted Millie bobby Brown about “boys” when she was a teen. I’m not the best person to ask but I can try.
That second screenshot adding in more people to this out of nowhere. Aubrey? I have no idea who she is or why he hates her too. Just cos she supports Drake in some way?
Regarding your edit, it’s actively transpiring as we speak. Drake responded with another track less than an hour ago. Wait for the dust to settle and I’m sure there will be more authoritative sources documenting it.
Ok, I don’t do rap. So they are just attacking each other for likes?
Is there some kind of neutral summary article? This sounds like a lot of he said/she said bullshit.
Generally these sorts of feuds are a flash in the pan without breaking Kayfabe. This, however, is quite different.
Kendrick Lamar and Drake are two of the most successful artists in the industry. Their music appeals to very different tastes. Drake’s music has been relaxed, poppy, and laid-back. Think of the kind of hip-hop/pop that you’d listen to in a car with mixed company or at a bar. Kendrick Lamar’s work is much less approachable by pop-music standards. It’s more emotional, bitter, and raw. His most recent album feels almost like an explosive therapy session. They’ve both seen regular airtime, but Drake’s music is much more palatable to a wide audience.
Kendrick fans will see Drake’s music (and by extension, Drake himself) as “fake” or as a “sell-out” since his music aims for the most broad appeal possible without making a “statement”. Drake fans will see Kendrick and his music as “angsty”, downplaying Kendrick’s success since Drake is more popular in the “mainstream”.
They both have their pernicious aspects. Drake has allegedly used money and coercion to silence women that he’s slept with, allegedly isn’t super involved with the lives of his children, and allegedly surrounds himself with registered sex offenders (including allegations of questionable conduct coming from his Instagram account). Kendrick has… let’s say “complicated” opinions on R-Kelly and the way music platforms like Spotify responded to his downfall. However, to my knowledge, Kendrick faces far fewer allegations of sexual misconduct (at least nothing that’s publicly known).
What makes this particular “beef” (or feud) exceptional is the degree of vitriol coming from Kendrick toward Drake. And it’s not anything that Drake can really “defend” against. I’m not suggesting that Drake himself is a sex offender, but surrounding yourself with registered sex offenders is horrible optics. In addition, some of Drake’s entourage has flipped, becoming informants for Kendrick and confirming some of the rumors floating about.
Anyway, that’s my summary. Full disclosure: I personally prefer Kendrick’s music to Drake’s. However, I don’t really care too much about feuds in the rap world. I just hope no one resorts to violence.
You can’t just throw out terminology like that to explain something to someone who has already told you they don’t understand rap culture…
Kayfabe is not rap culture but wrestler culture. For anyone who doesn’t know what it’s mean, is the make believe world that artists and fans pretend is true to keep the drama going on.
Right, so kayfabe is like…“don’t break the masquerade”?
Basically, it means you stay in character at all times. If you’re being enemies with someone at the time, you can’t be seen being nice to them, ever, even if you’re all just colleagues and the fight is for ratings.
Until you go too far and spit on a little girl’s face.
Not just that, but don’t acknowledge that it is a masquerade. Wrestling is “real” in that the performers and fans act like it is, even though everyone knows it isn’t.
Okay, I read the thread up to here to try and understand this thing and now I realize once again that there’s tons of people out there with which I don’t share the slightest common interest. Or look at reality. Or anything, really.
Jeez, how is that supposed to work, living together in the same political unit. How could even a well meaning government create a set of rules and boundaries which we both can sorta feel at home in.
I don’t really find my taste in music and government need to have anything to do with each other.
Yes, but this goes way beyond just taste in music apparently. This is some weird team betting excersise and score keeping and I didn’t really get it but it seems to be way beyond “where do you scroll in Spotify after starting Car Play”. This isn’t about music apparently but about being fully invested in some kind of weird proxy war fought by questionable celebrities.
I mean, come to think about it, explains a lot why politics works these days the way it does.
There is that layer but I’m not that invested into it. I just like the music and rappers can get motivated by it.
“Some rappers are fighting” is not exactly crucial breaking news. If you don’t get it you don’t have to care.
But it’s a wrestling term, gottem
I still have catching up to do. Which track goes into the R Kelly stuff?
Nothing that Drake’s talked about so far, but I was trying to be fair. As the commenter was asking for a neutral perspective.
Specifically, I’m referring to Kendrick’s threat to remove his own music after Spotify stated to take down R. Kelly’s work. I don’t think Kendrick condones R-Kelly’s behavior but his opinion is an easy point of attack that Drake likely won’t swing at since he’s a shit lyricist.
I think it could be seen as “separate the art. From the artist”. Okay, yes, the artist is absolutely fucking horrific. But. If the music is alright, then it should be removed, especially if it helps others.
One example of this from me is Call Of Duty Advanced Warfare. Whilst there is an argument to be made about Spacey, I thoroughly enjoyed the campaign of that game and will replay it every so often. This has happened woth music artists that I thoroughly enjoy. Whilst I can’t name any off the top of my head, I think one or two may have been on the worse side.
There’s also a case for Elvis Presley, I have heard of bad things that he has done, and those are terrible actions, I do still enjoy his music.
For a really extreme example, Hitler. His actions and opinions are vile. But he was a talented painter.
My point being, I feel there is a case in Kendrick’s opinions of R Kelly that whilst he doesn’t support those actions, his views could be, fuck the artist, but don’t fuck the art.
Drake’s main new allegation is that Kendrick allegedly committed domestic violence against his wife, and that one of his friends could be the real father of their kid. Which Kendrick chose not to respond too.
I’m sure no one who is actually involved will resort to violence, only dumb fans would do that.
I don’t think it’s worth Kendrick’s time (or anyone’s) to respond to “your kid isn’t actually yours”. Not an attack on his character, not relevant to the discussion, and well-adjusted adults are able to move past this kind of infidelity.
Domestic violence would be fair game and definitely worthy of response. I’d be interested to hear what Kendrick has to say. His capacity for self-reflection was apparent in Mr Morale and it would make for a fascinating track. I do not hold out hope that we’ll see any real comments on this point on any diss track that comes from this beef. There are far too many easy targets for Kendrick to fire at and the subject deserves more than one or two lines in between verses calling Drake a pussy.
Basically Kendrick hates drake because drake is a pedo and like to act like a big bad gangster when really he’s a softie who diddles kids.
think of it as two bards writing poems about each other
We’ll probably have to wait for it to be over first but there’s this.
But it’s more than likes, Drake is a predator and bad for the culture
So I guess I’ll just step out of this discussion then because I still don’t know what all this is about and how it plays into much of anything. Seems to me like anyone can just say something about anyone else and that’s taken as truth?
IDK, consider this my last comment here. Clearly I don’t have enough understanding to make a useful point or ask relevant questions.
EDIT: I said I wouldn’t comment again so I’m just going to edit this. YouTube and Twitter are NOT valid sources for…well…anything.
It’s hard to answer because Drake groomer stuff been talked about for years now. He texted Millie bobby Brown about “boys” when she was a teen. I’m not the best person to ask but I can try.
That second screenshot adding in more people to this out of nowhere. Aubrey? I have no idea who she is or why he hates her too. Just cos she supports Drake in some way?
This is a lot of who cares shit, but Aubrey is Drake’s real name
Ah right, cheers.
Aubrey Drake Graham if you were wondering about “meet the grahams” too.
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Regarding your edit, it’s actively transpiring as we speak. Drake responded with another track less than an hour ago. Wait for the dust to settle and I’m sure there will be more authoritative sources documenting it.
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