Just got a steam deck and immediately checked out the desktop mode, and I was somewhat surprised to see KDE and pacman as opposed to GNOME and apt, I have nothing against the former though a strong preference for the latter, anyone know why Volvo went in this direction?

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    People shitting on Gnome sound like kids bitching that the free pizza shop doesn’t offer your favorite hamburger.

    Also, all this sudden Gnome hate all over Lemmy is trendy as fuck, being trendy used to mean you were a loser with no original style, I guess the capitalists turned it into “viral” and made it cool.

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      Gnome is shit, I use KDE btw is definitely the new Reddit/Lemmy Linux community circlejerk.

      And it’s not even like console fanboy arguments, because in this case it’s pretty one-sided. I don’t see Gnome fans brigading KDE threads and circlejerking about KDE being awful and the devs being cunts.

      Idk why people can’t just accept that they’re both amazing DEs but very different in use, with very different project philosophies.

      It seems to me that people keep saying “Linux is about choice”, but the second someone chooses something different to what the hivemind likes, the pitchforks are out.

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          Oh yeah, definitely. There were even death threats to the devs for a while after Gnome 3 came out, because anonymity seems to turn some people into monsters.

          It just seemed to me that it settled down for a while and now in the past couple of years it’s ramped back up again for some reason.

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          I was very upset when they released gnome 3. Suddenly things were different, and there were rough edges. I used XFCE for many years after that. But… I have come to appreciate it now. I like that the devs had their vision and didn’t give in to all the demands to make it work differently. It’s their project, and I can use it if I want, or not. I respect it the same way I respect OpenBSD doing their thing. Can you imagine demanding that the OpenBSD devs changed their vision due to popular opinions? “We want closed source nvidia drivers and bluetooth support!” They just tell people to use another OS then. But from that stubbornness something beautiful is created.

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        I don’t see Gnome fans brigading KDE threads and circlejerking about KDE being awful and the devs being cunts.

        I’m a Gnome user for like 20 years, I don’t prefer KDE but glad it’s there. I never have but would be happy to support KDE and understand any devs being cunts on occasion, I’m sure it’s stressful. I’m glad they are there so I don’t have to use proprietary software.

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          I’ve used Gnome for a very long time but tried out Plasma 6.0 soon after it came out, and I’m very impressed.
          I might switch back to Gnome some day, but KDE just keeps growing on me.
          The seamless clipboard sharing feature between mobile and laptop is really cool, and that was just an unexpected bonus attached to a whole set of cool features. And everything feels cohesive in a way that I’m not used to.

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              That’s possible. I went very many years without even hearing about that, and I found KDE Connect and had it up and fully operational on day one.

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            See, this is a good comment. You like KDE more, awesome! Enjoy! Your attitude makes me want to try it again.

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        I remember a lot of KDE hate up until Gnome 3, which was controversial, to say the least. It mirrored old-school Mac hate, with a lot of invalid arguments parroted by people who never took time to learn it (or more to the point, to unlearn what they came from).

        I’ve swapped between Gnome and KDE a bunch of times, and it hasn’t really made a difference to me in many years. There was a time when running apps built for one on the other was a painful experience either way. Nowadays my DE choice doesn’t really influence my application choices.

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        This is a dumb take too, it’s important to criticize and scrutinize anything and everything down to the smallest detail to understand what works and what doesn’t, how and why that is the case in order to make better decisions for the future. You have to think critically, especially about software even when it’s a matter of preference.

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            What? No I was saying that NOT criticizing GNOME just because of the old thought-terminating cliché of “don’t use it then” is silly because it’s important to critique everything and no one is just saying it’s “garbage” apart from people in your head

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        I never see KDE get near the hate from gnome users because it just doesn’t affect them.

        It’s because everyone that uses Linux will stumble across gnome at least once because it’s in Ubuntu which is the first and only distro a lot of people use, so you have to go out of your way to use something else like KDE.

        i don’t understand why you’d waste time complaining about any you don’t use.

        Why do people complain about anything?

        Because why not? I don’t like Gnome but I complain about it because I can and I don’t like it.

        I also complain about IOS, macOS, And a lot of other shit that doesn’t matter. I just like to voice my opinion like everyone else. There is no need to listen.

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          Ubuntu’s version of Gnome is heavily modified to look and feel like their old Unity DE though. Vanilla Gnome like in Fedora or Arch is a vastly different experience.

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      Lol, typical Lemmy to blame everything on capitalism.

      Gnome is just incredibly annoying to use. It’s not a trendy thing to say, it’s just my opinion.

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          That’s fair enough. I don’t understand why personally but you do you.

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        I find some software annoying too but I’m not 12 so I don’t feel the need to shit on people volunteering their time to make software for people.

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      Shitting on Gnome if you use a tiled desktop manager is fair game.

      Shitting on Gnome if you use KDE is just dumb

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        I used to use Gnome with a tiled window manager. It was a good combo. Don’t see why they have to be exclusive. No hate from my side, KDE and Gnome are both incredible. I can spare some hate for the Gnome-haters though.

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        I don’t care what people like, I don’t like people shitting on open source projects and dividing the community.

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          Right.

          You don’t like that people don’t like gnome. You care about what they like.

          I, personally, think when we love something we want it to be the best it can be. Gnome devs seem to just be red hat employees who don’t actually care about making a good DE, just doing the easiest work while [WONTFIX]ing anything that takes actual effort.

          You don’t even talk with gnome devs. You talk with red hat. They’re employees first for a company owned by IBM.

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            Gnome devs seem to just be red hat employees who don’t actually care about making a good DE

            But Gnome is a great DE, I’ve used it as a daily driver for personal and at work for many years. I can’t say I have any major complaints. What’s so terrible about Gnome?

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          Splitting the community? Who cares, it doesn’t matter anyways.

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            I care, and so do many others, it happens to some with empathy when they grow out of their preteen years.